I meant light where I said white. After reading 911Freak's post, I'll stand by what I said. No such thing as pure.

Anyway, we'll see how tough it is to match "black" when I get my car back from the bodyshop.

Interesting stuff.

I don't know much about painting, but I had the hood on my black 930 painted and I can't see any mismatch with the fenders. The painter was good, but I just took him my hood so he didn't have the adjoining panels for reference.

See 911freak's post. All blacks have other colors in them. Where did you hear that, anyways? :cool:

From my paint shop, they supply all the high end shops in the area, for the past 30 years.

I thought I may have some Porsche black in the can (I think it's L041?), with the color forumula on it. Can't find it, though. I think I recall there is some tiny amount of color added to it, I don't remember exactly what, but it is basically insignificant. I'm sure someone can dig up the paint formula for it.

They may have some color in it, but in amts that are very miniscule and likely not even noticeable to 99.9% of the population.

Anyways, it goes to the original poster's question. Black is an easy color to match. I know that from personal knowledge because I've sprayed it many times (spoilers, bumpers, wheels, etc.). Things like reds and whites are very difficult to match well by just using the paint formula and no custom color matching. Non metallic black like used on Porsche, VW, etc. is very easy to match. From the base color, it is the least "altered" color out there.

See posts 3 and 4 for further examples. If those were red cars, or white cars (or any metallic colors), they'd be very noticeable. Because they are Porsche "substantially" Pure Black, they are not noticeable.

you need to go to another paint shop.. here is a list of Porsche blacks..

(some of these are metallic, but the codes have changed over the years):

Manufacturer Colour Name Colour Code Std. No. Aux Code Year Colour Class Colorinfo
PORSCHE BASALTSCHWARZ PERLEFFEKT C9Z Z4 2000-2010
02/03
PORSCHE BLACK 728 1986-1986

PORSCHE BRILLANTSCHWARZ LY9B A2 1991-1991

PORSCHE CARBONSCHWARZ MET 7C3 2007-2009
09/10
PORSCHE DEEP BLACK PERLEFFEKT C9X 2T 2008-2010

PORSCHE DIAMANTSCHWARZ MET 726 1989-1994

PORSCHE DUNKELAMETHYST PERL MET 39H 1994-1994
94/95
PORSCHE FLAT BLACK 968 1984-1984

PORSCHE GROBSILBER MET 977 1984-1987

PORSCHE IMPERIALSCHWARZ MET Z15 2009-2009
09/10
PORSCHE MOCCASCHWARZ LM9V A2 1979-1982

PORSCHE MONTEGOSCHWARZ MET LY9V SK9042 L3 1982-1987

PORSCHE PANTHERO MET LY9Z L7 1990-1991

PORSCHE RAUCHQUARZ MET 662 X5 1983-1984

PORSCHE SATINSCHWARZ MET 729 1988-1996
95/00 90/91
PORSCHE SATINSCHWARZ MET LY9Y Q1 1987-1989

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 041 A1 1972-2010

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 10 1960-1970

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 1010 1970-1973

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 41 1989-1990

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 501 1950-1955

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 5401 1954-1955

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 5601 1956-1956

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 5701 1957-1959

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 6013 1960-1961

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 6213 1962-1963

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 630 1979-1985

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 6413 1964-1965

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 6609 1964-1964

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 6838 1967-1968

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 700 A1 1972-1996
95/00 91/92
PORSCHE SCHWARZ 701 1956-1963

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 710 1977-1979

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 719 1993-1993

PORSCHE SCHWARZ 741 A1 1993-2000
95/00 95/96
PORSCHE SCHWARZ 747 A1 1993-2000
95/00 95/96
PORSCHE SCHWARZ V04 2003-2006

PORSCHE SCHWARZ DIAMANT PEARL Y74 2008-2008

PORSCHE SCHWARZ MATT 7E9 2003-2005
04/05
PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 701 1987-1989

PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 708 U7/A2 1979-1982

PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 728 1986-1994

PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 735 1984-1988

PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 738 Z8 1991-1992
95/00 90/91
PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 744 Z8 1993-2002
95/00 94/95
PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 746 Z8 1993-2002
95/00 94/95
PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET 785 1985-1994

PORSCHE SCHWARZ MET LM9Y U7 1981-1982

PORSCHE SCHWARZGRAU MATT 077-7021-00

We repainted a 993 for a guy a couple of years ago. The car was black and he LOVED it - swore it was the "blackest-black" on the planet. Then he parked it next to one of the black cars that Steve painted and realized that it was no where near as black as he originally thought. Not a mark on the car and he paid my husband to dismantle and repaint it to make it really black.

PPG Black with a high quality clear. Not all clear is "clear" alot of it is slightly yellow. These cars are BLACK. They are so black they absorb the soul from other colors like a black hole in space pulls in all matter...

angela

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for the non-metallic blacks, the color codes may have changed, but that doesn't matter if the formula remains the same. for this discussion, the color code is basically meaningless.

Those are some nice looking jobs!

So, in your experience (which is a lot more than mine), is the statement in the original post true?

"black is the easiest color to color match"

(And, if not, what do you think is the easiest to match?)

if the color code changed then the formula has changed. thats the point. we've painted thousands of 'black' cars (porsches, etc) at our shop and none of them used the basic black out of the can, they all have some type of mixing colors added in.

When I had my black Mercedes 6.9 painted several years ago, my painter suggested we do single-stage urethane as the clear coats can be milky/cloudy (white) or, as Anglea pointed out, yellow. Plus we did the primer in black epoxy to avoid the show-through. That car was ink black, but he did such a fantastic job with the color sanding and polishing that it was a mirror. No orange peel makes a big difference in how the paint refracts.

OK then, in your opinion, what color is easier to color match than a plain porsche non-metallic black?

I wasnt stating that black wasnt easy to match, just that there isnt any 'black only' paint pigments on cars that i have ever seen. They all have small amounts of other colors added to the mix.

"How much more black can it be?"

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There's all kinds of black.
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And then there's Black Peter by Uncle Jerry, Black Dog by Zeppelin, Black Friday by Steely Dan, Black Water by the Doobies...

LOLOL very good!!!!!

And the best OT ever.

True, and even when it's not, when I see it I WANT it painted black!

http://www.danheller.com/images/Euro...d-door-big.jpg

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Good one! I forgot about it (although I never was a Stones fan).