what is the LEGAL method of carrying in KALIF?

[ODDJOB UNO]

the last thing i wanna hear is illegal concealed.


i have to go to the republik of kalif. coming up here to drop off a husqvarna engine with ron bishop(look him up. has ridden every BAJA race) in escondido,kalif and drop off a ktm/rotax 4 stroke with tony murphy(another baja racer on can-ams) for a rebuild. i will carry these over in ice chests and when they are done, they will ship them back to me in the ice chests. too simple of engine packaging/shipping.



anyway if i remember correctly when i lived there years and years ago, the spoon had to be in a separate case,devoid of ammo, and ammo separate from spoon. ie. in trunk of car.



so since my redneck pick 'em truck doesnt have a trunk, what the hell do i do????



keep spoon in truck and put mags in duffle bag in bed of truck, then carry into hotel/motel????



i have gone many times to kalif with others in their vehicles pulling trailers w/racey cars. most really dont give a damn about kalif. stoo-pid gun laws and carry status quo the same as they do here in arizona.


my luck they will pull me over for the (2) ice chests wondering if im smuggling ice cream or popsickles into the republik of kalifornia.



so what is the CORRECT/LEGAL way to have a firearm in kalif? this is rather bothersome because i never even have to have this cross my mind here. i can carry anywhere/anyplace/anytime with the exception of city state federal facilities, schools, nuklar plants,military bases. and since its HOT AS HELL HERE, today is a lightweight walther ppk/s stainless day.



or should i just not carry a spoon with me(not on me), and trust my soon to be brides life and my life to "those who protect and serve"?



should i go to the beach on odd numbered days or even numbered days to avoid any problems? LOL?



why does kalif. law disallow my 2nd amend. gun rights? who the hell thought this crap up?

[nostatic]

Your best bet is to have the unloaded handgun in a locked case (or with a trigger lock), and have the ammunition in another locked case "separate." I have a station wagon, and hence no trunk. I have my guns locked in a case, and have the ammo in a range bag, not locked. They are both in the hatch area of the car. I believe that is legal, but if you want to cover your basses, weapon and ammo separate in their own locked containers should avoid any problems.

[ODDJOB UNO]

cool thats simple. will just slap spoon in my locked shipping hard case i use for shipping them to magna port or elsewhere and drop a couple mags into my duffle bag.


the only reason is hotel/motel time when i am afeared. and this comes from being on the road doing my traveling aerospace machine tool salesman/eng thing when one night in a sierra vista,az. hotel/motel when about 130am my door of my hotel/motel was opened by a very drunk couple. the desk clown had given them the key to my room! HOLY NED! they started hooting and hollering, i started hooting and hollering, and they split to desk clown and desk clown came back and tried to calm me down. yes i had my gun! yes i about POO'D myself. yes i wrote a damn nasty letter to the corporate headquarters of super 8 hotels/motels. YES the couple damn near was VAPORIZED! that is a TRUE ROAD WARRIOR STORY!



im not afeared at the beach, i'll just throw sand in their faces and run like a mo-fo!

[cashflyer]

I used to love hanging out in the Sierra Vista area.
Anything was better than being on base.

Anyway, wouldn't Federal law apply?

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44
§ 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.


United States Code: Title 18,926A. Interstate transportation of firearms | LII / Legal Information Institute

[McLovin]

Just hide it in an empty K&N box.

[ODDJOB UNO]

actually we were on base doing our machine tool dog and pony show w/ my distributor salesmen.


southern az. is a real gem that most people dont know about. some really cool areas to see/camp/hunt. come winter time people are amazed at how much snow gets dumped in some areas.



ya know thats the closest i have ever come to drawing a weapon. i was pissed off big time. i wrote a letter of biblical proportions to corporate super 8 hotels/motels. if i remember i got one week free stay coupon and a apology.



ya know after reading the federal law.....................1st thing to cross my mind were interstate truckers. now i'll bet cold hard cash out of 100 trucks pulled over on the interstate system anywhere in the u.s. 99 % of them are carrying a weapon. since when has one ever heard of a trucker NOT carrying a weapon? truckers go into some pretty shady areas delivering goods night and day, let alone creepy truck stops.



as far as the beach..............well i'll just dye my hair orange, tie some beads on my beard, get my birdwell beach britches on, and carry a long board and mumble "GNARLY WAVES DUDE" and i'll fit right on in at the "LOKALS ONLY SURF NAZI BEACH"!

[RPKESQ]

Or you could just not be so irrationally afraid of being in public without a gun.

It may come as a surprise to you, but 300,000,000 +/- people do that everyday in America and less than .001% have a problem.




Competent Situational Awareness will save your ass better than any weapon.

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Or you could just not be so irrationally afraid of being in public without a gun.

It may come as a surprise to you, but 300,000,000 +/- people do that everyday in America and less than .001% have a problem.




Competent Situational Awareness will save your ass better than any weapon.

r2d2esq.................your intelligence always seems to proceed you.



its a proven fact that municipalities with normal gun laws have LOWER CRIME RATES.


situational awareness is what prevented me from pointing a gun at this very drunk couple barging into my hotel room. UNINVITED!



also my situational awareness is evident by even asking this question because i know the u.s. justice dept stats on crime in kalif. and other states with restrictive gun laws. also i lived there. and awoke one early am to have my next door neighbor MURDERED(redrumed) right next door to my front door. like about 8 freeking FEET AWAY.



see i take my and soon to be wifeys safety and well being very very ser-i-ass-ly. anywhere and everywhere anytime. 24/7/365.



why?.............................................. .....................




because i know for a FACT that throwing crossaints and souffles will only make matters worse. and.............if i wave the FRENCH FLAG.............well i will have to run so as NOT to change HISTORICAL(hysterical) precedent.



since its very very HOT and HUMID here today.............today is a walther ppk/s stainless day. right on my side, LOADED, w/safety ON! as I WRITE- AT WORK EVEN! cuz thats how we roll here.



what are you packing today? a merlot or a cab? are ya wearing your bandelero with 50 hollowpoint pointless french frys?



i'll have to try that bandelero gig someday, it just may cause the bad guys out there to fall over from hysterical laughter and let me pass on by without bothering me.


i guess i am a "racist cowardly weasel" what can i say. i am a product of my society. over educated/underpayed/overworked. i have serious "situational awareness issues" along with "anti-social issues"(most people are NO DAMN GOOD) and i probably need to seek professional help from someone of your infinite wizdumb as to how i conduct myself and the precautions i take when traveling places.



gawd damn what would i do without THE FRENCH?

[Tobra]

State law supersedes federal. Gun and ammo separate, gun in trunk, ammo in glove box, gun in locked case with ammo elsewhere, whatever.

They see the AZ plates on your truck they will eye ball you closely, as this is an indication that you are a Nazi sympathizer.

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by Tobra

State law supersedes federal. Gun and ammo separate, gun in trunk, ammo in glove box, gun in locked case with ammo elsewhere, whatever.

They see the AZ plates on your truck they will eye ball you closely, as this is an indication that you are a Nazi sympathizer.

now that was FUNNY! very good.


now if state law supercedes federal law how come the feds in washington d.c. are suing us over SB 1070??????



i am actually surprised as hell that gun owners in kalifornia have not raised the roof over these moronic gun laws that they have to endure.



excuse me mr. bad guy car jacker..............let me get my key to my locked gun, get my other key to my locked ammo, remove both, load spoon, rack round in chamber, remove safety and place in condition red, and then properly aim before STOPPING THE THREAT!



now in the time i wrote that any of us could have been carjacked.



yep some PRETTY STOO-PID GUN LAWS! but hey i'll play their game. and pack a merlot magnum.


cant wait to ask a cop over there what i can and cannot do with a weapon if someone barges into my hotel room at 130am! would castle doctrine apply? hmmmm kalif REALLY NEEDS TO VOTE SMART THIS YEAR!



as of now i can go to 38 states carrying concealed! 12 states think all of us gun toting crazies from airy-zoney just may get the drop on someone and thwart a crime and possibly save our own lives cuz 911 is a broken system.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

i guess i am a "racist cowardly weasel" what can i say. i am a product of my society. UNDER educated/underpayed/overworked. i have serious "situational awareness issues" along with "anti-social issues"(most people are NO DAMN GOOD) and i probably need to seek professional help from someone of your infinite wizdumb as to how i conduct myself and the precautions i take when traveling places.

At last (with a very little change in wording), you are able to express the truth about yourself.

And even to a person devoid of rational reasoning skills, such as yourself, a direct comparison between gun ownership and violent crime is meaningless. Without plotting the economic, cultural and age distribution into the mix, you are not including some of the most important attributes.

An aging population normally experiences a lowering crime rate regardless of political, economic or other cultural aspects. America has an aging population, and has had an aging population for the last 15 years. It has also had a falling crime rate (even in strict gun control New York City).

[Tobra]

If someone breaks into your abode, and you are in fear for your life, you can use deadly force.

nb-They are armed(with a weapon, not having upper limbs) INSIDE your abode.

For example, if someone is climbing in the window, no shooting them until they are inside. If they have a shotgun, and are trying to kick the door in, you have to wait until they kick in the door and enter, no shooting them on the front porch.

[vash]

is this considered a pistol? you aim this at me..and i am running away.

[Head416]

The gun needs to be unloaded, and either in the trunk or a locked container.

I always hear people say gun and ammo need to be in separate containers - both locked - but have never found that in writing.

[Head416]

Originally Posted by Tobra

If someone breaks into your abode, and you are in fear for your life, you can use deadly force.

nb-They are armed(with a weapon, not having upper limbs) INSIDE your abode.

For example, if someone is climbing in the window, no shooting them until they are inside. If they have a shotgun, and are trying to kick the door in, you have to wait until they kick in the door and enter, no shooting them on the front porch.

I think you can shoot them if they are in the process of breaking into your house to do great bodily harm to prevent them from gaining entry. I can't find the reference right now. I'll follow up if I find it.

[Head416]

Summary of CA gun laws:
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf

The transportation or carrying of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person by any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years
who resides or is temporarily within this state, and is not within the excepted classes
prescribed by Penal Code Sections 12021 or 12021.1 or Welfare and Institutions Code sections
8100 or 8103, provided that the following applies:
- the firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container
in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment, and;
- when the firearm is carried by the person to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose, the
firearm must be contained in a locked container while being physically carried. (Penal Code §
12026.1.)

It is unlawful to carry a loaded firearm on one’s person or in a vehicle while in any public place, on
any public street, or in any place where it is unlawful to discharge a firearm.(Penal Code §
12031(a)(1).)
A firearm is deemed loaded when there is a live cartridge or shell in, or attached in any manner to,
the firearm, including, but not limited to, the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to
the firearm. A muzzle-loading firearm is deemed loaded when it is capped or primed and has a
powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder. (Penal Code § 12031(g).)
For the purposes of Penal Code section 12023 (commission or attempted commission of a felony
while armed with a loaded firearm), a firearm is deemed loaded when both the firearm and the
unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from the firearm are in the immediate
possession of the same person.

I think this last part is where the "gun and ammo in separate locked containers" comes from.

[KevinP73]

The center A/C vents in the dash of a Dodge P/U pops out very easily and just happen to be the perfect size to slide a 9mm into. No bangin around and doesn't restrict cold air flow. I'm pretty sure it's legal 'cause no ones ever said anything about it.

[nostatic]

My understanding is that ammo doesn't have to be locked, and I never carry it in a locked container. It is supposed to be "separate" from the weapon. I only suggested separate locked containers for both as a way to be double sure (as much as you can be) that you don't get any hassle when pulled over.

[Head416]

Originally Posted by nostatic

My understanding is that ammo doesn't have to be locked, and I never carry it in a locked container. It is supposed to be "separate" from the weapon. I only suggested separate locked containers for both as a way to be double sure (as much as you can be) that you don't get any hassle when pulled over.

I agree that's a good policy.

I was pointing it out because I've been told numerous times that anything less is illegal, and I disagree.

[Tobra]

Aaron, if you shoot and kill someone trying to break into your house in Kalifornia, you are going to jail and will almost certainly be charged with at least manslaughter.