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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1279654440.jpg Detroit TODAY

I have posted this before..

Now do U Boyz get just how DESTRUCTIVE the Obama vision of CHANGE is...

Tabbs, why bring politics into the main Off-Topic forum?

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China makes almost everything for us now, that sort of mega shift empties and rots out an old rust belt city like Detroit.

Automation...............:(

I agree. No need to bring up unions and their socialistic ways and how they contributed to the downfall of Detroit. That kind of thing belongs in PARF, not here.

Stinky is here.

There are some VERY beautiful buildings and homes in Detroit. Some of the most wonderful homes ever built. Most are vacant and beyond repair IMHO. It is a serious shame as to what has happened. Greed from every corner caused this debacle.

This is what happens when more than 2/3 of your civilians move out. Rents in the area are dirt cheap. Homes are dirt cheap. Land is dirt cheap. In comparison to the rest of the country that is. But there are still some good people there. There are some areas that are not blighted. There is some uptick.

I like the idea of moving people on section 8 to the area and having them help build homes and make repairs. Teach them trades and give them skills and a sense of accomplishment. Then get them off the dole and let them work.

Let them work where? Building what for who?

Tabs, there has to be some kind of agenda for that plot of land. It has an airport to the east, and a cemetery to the west. If you look on the far side of the airport (Coleman Young, by the way), the neighborhood has not been torn down like the one you posted.

That photo reminds me of a story I heard a while back:
The oldest surviving relative of one of my friends is an old geezer living in a suburb of Oklahoma City. Probably well into his 90's by now.
He survived to such a ripe old age by not partaking in cigarrettes or alcohol - the two vices directly responsible for all five of his siblings deaths. So with no siblings, no booze, and no smokes, he's a grouchy old bastard.
Well, I suppose living to that age in the same house means seeing pretty much everyone in the neighborhood either kick the bucket or move out. So what he does is buy their house and immediately knock it down. Then he puts up a chainlink fence around the property, and parks a single dog inside it.
Now he's just about the only guy on the block, and has surrounded his lot with five dogs.... named after the previous owner of each torn down house.

I travel to the east cost for business extensively and Baltimore is like that as well. Rows and rows of abandoned house than can be purchased for the property tax owing ($5K-$8K).

Once a thriving industrial town, now empty ghost towns...similar to scenes in the Will Smith movie Legend I Am. Very sad and depressing.
Yasin

Right to the point. "If you build it, they will come". No, not to this land, not to this town, for nothing and nowhere. The jobs are gone and the hope is gone, and I for one would hate to live here.

Hugh, are you working on Hung ??

What about a bunch of us pooling our money, building a fence and making Detroit a game preserve??

There was a time in the 1970s when parts of New York were horribly blighted. Those areas have come back, been redeveloped, yuppified. Similar story in some other cities.

Also, while a lot of what happened to Detroit is the auto industry, also it's suburbanization. For decades, the center of all sorts of East Coast cities (and not just East Coast) was emptying out as people chased big green lawns and developer homes. Some cities recovered, some have not.

Is Hung shot in Detroit? No, I'm working on an ABC cop show for the Fall Detroit 1-8-7

I always believed in the concept that metropolitan hubs expanded more and more out into the suburbs until the maximum travel time/density limiter was bumped against.
-During this time the downtown would suffer.
-Eventually the exodus wave would start reversing, and it would again became fasionable to work closer to whatever the draw of the "big-city downtown" was: offices, manufacturing, universitys, ports, transportation hub, rivers, whatever...

In Detroit's case they were faced with international labor and tax advantages, high medical costs, myopic unions, cancerous corruption on all levels, racial contentions, and an extra large tablespoon of apathetic stupid in every glass.

Sounds reasonable. That has happened in the older cities in CA starting with San Fran, I believe, many years ago. In Los Angeles the downtown is so dense now that one can't escape the smell of dog urine.

People come back alright, they just think they can bring their lawn with them.

What that graph says is that America continues to innovate ways to make stuff with fewer people involved.

. . oh, and I expect that we are still the world leader of manufacturing output.


. . . of course, unions want us to stop innovating. --someone might lose a job. Just think of all the jobs we could have kept in Detroit if only unions did a better job of stopping innovation and continued to make Pinto's and Pacers the hard way. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Three letters; J, O, B, S, . .. jobs!

The US is still the leader in manufacturing followed by China, Japan and Germany. China is the fastest growing.

Island is right: we do more with less. The country that has the technological edge will always be the leader.
Detroit is a single industry town. Before cars is was covered wagons. Cars are gone. The immigrants that were in the auto industry in it's early days made money and lived the American dream. Know where the automotive money went? Just look at Detroit's surrounding suburbs.

Downtown is abandoned. Business people traveling to Detroit that need to stay in the city, stay near the GM headquarters, the Renaissance Center. For entertainment most go to Windsor for gambling and the strip clubs. Detroit answered with a Casino in Greektown. The ball park area is nice but travel outside that area and is a war zone.

Detroit also has the largest registry of Lamborghini's.

Tab. Tabs, Tabs,

This has got nothing to do with Obama. You yourself provided detail of what Detroit looked like years ago and over time. Many probably think he wasn't born here or lived in Kenya, Indonesia or wherever during Detroit's decline.

I wish you would stop giving this President credit for turning the mighty motor city into a war zone. No one has that much power. Stop inflating his skill or lack or skill.

You misunderstand his post. He is drawing parallels that what happened to Detroit, there are politicians trying to do to the country.

Paul,

I was building upon thoughts of a previous poster in this thread. Got me thinking in a generalization type of way.

Move section 8 people to a location that is depopulating. Have them work on the existing homes to bring them up to speed so they have new section 8 housing they worked on. They learn trades through OJT. Land is available around them, let them grow something. Get them situated in an area and let them re-build it. Repopulate and it will grow, eventually.

Let them work where? In their own new neighborhoods. Consolidate. Provide labor.

Building what for who? Their own homes for themselves. Maybe learn to create so they can contribute to society instead of only removing.

How would you suggest moving people off the dole? What can be done to re-utilize this land? Too heavily populated on the coasts. Too much farm land being gobbled up for sub-divisions. Not enough food production inside our own borders. Too much manufacturing leaving this country. We do not make the things, nor the things that make the things. We currently provide some teaching and learning services but that is going away as well. What will a service only based economy look like? What happens to a people when they no longer do for themselves? What happens when we no longer educate the younger generation because we do not want to spend the money on them?

Yep, rhetorical questions.

Is the country dependent on a single domestic industry, like Detroit was on the Big Three?

Is the country becoming more and more heavily unionized?

Is the country subject to suburban flight, to the "suburbs" of Mexico and Canada?