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[varmint]

am ahead a bit. an M1A is suddenly within my grasp. anyone want to tell me what to look for, avoid, etc?

[id10t]

For the cost of a M1a you can get a *really* nice FAL - cheaper mags, cheaper parts (if needed).

Anyway, if you want an M1a, decide on if you want the basic full size rifle, or the SOCOM variants, etc. I'd go with at least the 18" barrel - the 16" have a LOT of blast to 'em.

[ODDJOB UNO]

get a bore light. check fer nice and shiney BORE thats uber critical. is it a wood or f/glass stock? either look for cracks. if wood, poo can the wood stock for a f/glass stock(trust me on this-screw nostalgia, your POA will shift with humidity/hot/cold) get f/glass stock bedded).


what kind of sights? OEM or mational match? or they in good shape?



i would put new chrome silicone springs in it (TUBBS.com)


new guide rod


new sadlak TiCN piston?



go to sadlak.com fer all yer goodies.



i own (2), an arrington built SOCOM iron sights only, with every goodie you can put into them. insane accurate.


and a springfield custom shop super-duper match w/mcmillian usmc stock that arrington accuracy has worked on and now has a box of sadlak parts to go into it. it has the 4.5 X 14 springfield 3rd generation illuminated range finding reticle,BDC for .308. its beyond insane already and about to be shoved into the UBER FREEKING OUTER LIMITS with all the sadlak goodies we just bought.



sight in with 168gr BTHP FEDERAL MATCH and then leave it the hell alone.

[ODDJOB UNO]

p.s. look for ONLY NATIONAL MATCH parts. an example would be the national match flash hider w/ bayonet lug. BAYONETS show ya mean BIZZNESS! LOL!


seriously if ya want it to be a shooter look at brownells or midway for the M-25 trigger group or have yer trigger done if yer shooting national match . M-25 DQ's you for match shooting.



learn all about MESSIKAN MATCH AMMO. this means ya buy a bullet puller, pull 147gr nato crap ammo bullet and replace with sierra 168 gr BTHP, and thats how you can shoot deadly accurate CHEAP!

[Jim Bremner]

The big question is are you looking for a entry level M14 style rifle?

Or to you need to hit dimes at 200 yards.

You can get a M1A drom Springfeild for about $1.200

You cn have a better gun made up from a forged receiver for about $4,000

Mine is a M1A Loaded walnut with a SS barrel that is as accurate as I am.
I've ran about 2,500 rounds out of it. Anothe 2,500 rounds and I should replace the barrel.

If you're in California, you can only use 10 round magazines. I think all other states besides New Jersy you can use the 20 rounders New Jersry is 15?

Only buy US G.I Mags!!! The only problems that I've had with FTF or FTE has all been new cheap mags.

I have Garands and the M1A. I do lolve the narrower National front sight blade that's on my M1A it make hitting bowling pins 150 yards out alot easier. The thicker garand front sight bldes cover the pin at that distance

Springfield Armory

[Jim Bremner]

I have shot a FAL and the best feature that it has over the M14 style of rifles is the adjustable gas plug reduces recoil tremendously!

I would guess that if you had two shooters side by side,one with a FAL the other a M14 BOTH semi auto. The Guy with the FAL could get off more hits on target per minute than the M14 guy.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner

I have shot a FAL and the best feature that it has over the M14 style of rifles is the adjustable gas plug reduces recoil tremendously!

I would guess that if you had two shooters side by side,one with a FAL the other a M14 BOTH semi auto. The Guy with the FAL could get off more hits on target per minute than the M14 guy.

I've had the pleasure of shooting a full auto FAL (G1), a full auto HK91, and a full auto M14 in the same sitting - got to run a mag thru each. The FAL is *much* more controllable than the other 2.

Another plus for the FAL is its reliability - check on falfiles.com in the forums for the Legend of Ol' Dirty- a parts kit mutt FAL with 17k+ rounds thru it with the only cleaning being a trip thru a mud puddle around the 5k round mark...

[ODDJOB UNO]

btwn the (3) main battle rifles, heres the gig:


FN need tools to take apart to firing pin

M-14 need tools to take apart to firing pin


HK needs NO TOOLS to take apart to firing pin.


each and everyone is unique in and of its own self.



me if the ZOMBEEZ ATTACK at dawn...............hands down HK.



i am freeking going on 53 yrs old and owned my HK-91 since age 20-21. NEVER NOT ONE DAMN FTF or FTE on it and i have shot some pretty nasty yuckky ammo thru it. plus i can take it apart blindfolded down to the firing pin and put it back together again. i cant say that of my M-14's nor my buddies FN.


personally i want an FN to complete my main battle rifle collection.



i like all 3. they are all great. they are all wayyy more fun than sex.

[Jim Bremner]

i like all 3. they are all great. they are all wayyy more fun than sex.
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YOU'RE DOINIG IT WRONG if that's the case

[ODDJOB UNO]

hell where else can ya have fun all day with no one nagging at you????


out in the dezert or at the range.


why? because ear muffs and big fire breathing battle rifles tend to make people real damn nice and ya can't HEAR THEM even if they try and yack at ya.



will work for AMMO!

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by varmint

am ahead a bit. an M1A is suddenly within my grasp. anyone want to tell me what to look for, avoid, etc?

M1A's are completely utterly overpriced. They should not cost 1/2 the price they do.

I love them, but i would never buy one, because they are quite frankly a total ripoff.

The FN FAL, aka "SLR," is one of the finest combat weapons ever made. If price is a factor, i too would opt for an SLR over an M1A, it's a very easy decision. A CETME is another viable 7.62 option for about 1/3 the price of a plain jane M1A.

[ODDJOB UNO]

DSA has some damn nice FN's mmmmmm yummy



ya just cant have enough battle rifles.

[jtkkz]

socom 16 is nice....

[futuresoptions]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

M1A's are completely utterly overpriced. They should not cost 1/2 the price they do.

I love them, but i would never buy one, because they are quite frankly a total ripoff.

The FN FAL, aka "SLR," is one of the finest combat weapons ever made. If price is a factor, i too would opt for an SLR over an M1A, it's a very easy decision. A CETME is another viable 7.62 option for about 1/3 the price of a plain jane M1A.

That's some harsh words man...

I don't know, the M1A's are Cadillacs.... My CETME and HK91 were both great rifles, but in no way compared to my national match M1A... twice the recoil and 1/2 the accuracy.... The Fal's are great rifles, I just prefer the lower profile of the M1A.....

[varmint]

not a 100% rational decision. i just want an M1A. and have for some time.

this will not be a range queen. no twitchy after market parts either. and i don't need a rifle that's a better shot than i am. i respect the FAL. but am tired of buying guns. can't have everything

will be a general purpose hunting/zombie weapon. finally live in a place where i can get out and shoot a little. i can get the baseline model for about 11-1,200. almost half what they were after the election. plan to put a nice zeiss scope on it. and any modifications will come slowly, one at a time. you all have convinced me to go with the synthetic stock though.

[ODDJOB UNO]

ANY semi-auto spoon no matter who the hell makes it, is the MOST DIFFICULT spoon to accurize. why? por qui? because of the amount of moving parts vs a bolt action.


thats why kiddies for the uberest in ge-schutzens the HK PSG-1 is about $12-14K if yer lucky enough to find one.


now for the money when being tested years ago, all had to have a 1" group.


the u.s. being the cheap asses they are decided after developing the M1-A and trying to sell all of nato on the 7.62, that maybe we should go to the .223 after all. the FN and the G-3 fought tooth and nail for the contracts worldwide. and the FN grabbed the majority of market share due to cost.


it was gonna be a cold day in hell before the u.s. bought a "fereign" weapon to field. and so we went down the long ugly STOOPID M-16 road and we are still trying to make it work. DUH!


the poor M-14 languished in arsenals for years and/or destroyed by the pallet loads. only to be resurrected numerous times when the piss ant .223 could not do the mission.


anyway owning (2) M-14's and a HK-91, and shooting the hell out of the FN of my buddies, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO FIT for each person in the market to buy one.


LOP(length of pull) is uber critical for one to fit. each was designed with a generic sized human using it. mcmillian offers custom length of pull, HK has numerous stocks that can be changed for LOP and i dont know about FN.



the drawback to the M-14 (and i like others fell into it) is WEIGHT. add yer cleaning kit in yer stock(if stock not set up for cleaning kit and combo tool, use wood bits to drill holes to accommodate), a sling, a cheek rest/ pouch(for using scope), a scope mount and scope, bipod, 20-30 rd mag and yer now lugging around one damn heavy rifle.


thats why coming up here we are taking my super duper match from hell and putting it on a diet. ya need to have the combo tool and cleaning kit and that stays, what i am doing is going with sadlaks TITANIUM scope mt. $395 bucks and the best M-14 mount aside from smith ent scope mt. that will save some weight and it retains ZERO when removed. and you can use yer iron sights while its mounted and thats a huge plus. also im gonna ditch the monster springfield 4.5 X 14 scope for something lighter. anything lighter. its a great scope for sitting and sniping. it sucks having to HUMP!



thats why my socom is bare bones. it has all the sadlak goodies and then some. and the ONLY optic i will put on that is a zeiss reflex. its a 600yd gun with the short barrel. a pleasure to hump.



the HK-91 is a system plain and simple. if ya look around there are some pictures of an HK-91 with all the accessories laid out next to spoon and it will astound you and break yer wallet. ask me how i know, i got all of it and it was spendy to say the least. but it makes it a multi functional spoon. hell i love the folding stock for throwing in the truck, and i love my mag pul fully adjustable cheek and LOP stock for shooting long range on the bipod. and its different configs can be changed in seconds to make it a long spoon or a short spoon,scoped,unscoped. the 1200 meter iron sites are the KATZ AZZ!


my HK-91 is at RDTS right now getting possibly a new german factory barrel and all internals moly coated and new external finish. the reason why i say possibly is if it doesnt shoot a 1" group or better with ralph smith shooting it w/federal match ammo, the old barrel will be replaced. i have had it since i was 20-21 and im about 53 and i have shot the hell out of it over the years.


now 1" groups are not bad, to get any of these to shoot 1/2 groups or better takes some bucks. with the M-14 this means a douglas,a hart, a schillen barrel and those will set ya back some bucks big time. to make a HK-91 shoot better, a walther barrel, a G3SG/1(basically a handpicked -G-3 barrel), a msg-90 barrel yer easily looking at a $1000 plus and then installed.


now heres market reality. the hk-91 and the FN's are shot alot period. they are simple and people love them. people on the other hand, fawn over M-14's like they are golden because of their price. most people buy them cuz their bad azz. they shoot them a few times and they become safe queens. the only m-14's really shot are guys who buy them for match shooting and those are shot alot.


i would look for yer classic dee-vorce forces sale,estate sale for a damn nice M-14 to show up and then swoop in and grab it if yer looking for a national match or a super match.


or: i would just go out and buy a stainless black f/glass stocked version and leave it the hell alone aside from maybe installing some user friendly sadlak goodies cuz they do make better mousetraps.


the 3rd generation springfield scope mt is OK, but sadlak and smith make the baddest azz scope mt bar none.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

the u.s. being the cheap asses they are decided after developing the M1-A and trying to sell all of nato on the 7.62, that maybe we should go to the .223 after all. the FN and the G-3 fought tooth and nail for the contracts worldwide. and the FN grabbed the majority of market share due to cost.


it was gonna be a cold day in hell before the u.s. bought a "fereign" weapon to field. and so we went down the long ugly STOOPID M-16 road and we are still trying to make it work. DUH!

Actually, the FAL is more expensive to make than the G3/HK91. And the FAL would have been the M14 if it had been an american design - it edged out the M14 in trials in every department except accuracy, and it was still within the accuracy requirements that the trials set forth. FN was going to give the US a free license to manufacture as a "thank you" for saving Belgium during WW2.