Registering a car with a private trust

[Joeaksa]

Lots of knowledge on this board so posing some ideas and questions.

Friend of mine is a trustee on a trust that he has various items with. What they are I do not know, does not matter.

Unfortunately he lives in the socialist state of Kalifornia. If the trust is registered in a different state (say Montana for grins) is there a reason why he cannot put a car or truck into the trust and use Montana license plates on the vehicle?

Also what if he is driving a car with Montana plates, registered to a Montana trust but he has a Kalifornia drivers license?

He is concerned with the situation. My gut feeling is that he is fine as long as he is the trustee and part of his duties and privilidges in the trust allow him to operate vehicles owned by the trust.

Having a valid DL and insurance to cover the vehicle is all that it should take and he should be able to drive in any state without hassles. Also should he be stopped by any LE there should not be any hassle as the trust is based out of state and the vehicle legally licensed and registered in that state.

Comments?

[TSNAPCRACKLEPOP]

hereabouts, the registration is supposed to be in the state where the vehicle has been housed for the last 30 days. they started enforcing this with out of state college students.

does the trust business include a commercial vehicle?

[Rick Lee]

I'd get a MT drivers license if I were him.

[Joeaksa]

The vehicle that we are talking about right now is a 911, not a commercial vehicle. Might also be a pickup truck involved but not sure.

Rick, agree and would rather have a MT drivers license any day but its not me.

[lowyder993s]

These guys were recommended to me when I was looking at the cost of registering my Ferrari. Cops COULD be dix about it, making you prove you have some sort of business entity or reason for the car being titled/registered there.
Me...I just paid the 13k


Montana LLC Vehicle Registration : Deer Creek Corporate Services

[Jim Richards]

We established trusts in VA. We moved to DC, and registered the 911 and our DD in DC, with our trusts on the titles. I doubt seriously that we could have titled/registered our cars in VA, while living in DC. You need to have established residency, with proof, to title/register your cars...IMO, of course.

[Joeaksa]

Jim in San Diego,

You can get a good trust done for around $1000. Spending too much more is a waste of money IMHO. BTW, I carry a folder in each car with the "public copy" of the trust and paperwork showing that I am authorized to operate vehicles as part of my duties. If LE asks, I have all the documentation needed.

Jim Richards,

I have a trust with several vehicles in the trust. I do have a local drivers license but they said that this is for ID purposes only. If you have a trust somewhere you have to have a mailing address for the trust, so that would be your local point of contact or residence. You can have more than one residence last time I looked.

[RWebb]

The friend - and you - are asking for a big problem with the state.

Maybe you can get away with it, but if they catch you it won't be pretty.

[Dueller]

Whay? What is the guy trying to accomplish? Lower ins/taxes/registartion?

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by RWebb

The friend - and you - are asking for a big problem with the state.

Maybe you can get away with it, but if they catch you it won't be pretty.

If I could block you from posting on any of my threads, would gladly do it. You may be a professor but frankly do not care what you think.

I have had several vehicles owned by a private trust for years, and a good friend of mine has been doing it for 15 years. The rich do it, so why cant we?

I have a state issued registration number for the trust. Every time I go to the DMV just give them the number and they ask what I would like to do today. Its a bit late for them to catch me as they know where both the trust and I can be found. Its legal, safe and going to continue using it.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Dueller

Whay? What is the guy trying to accomplish? Lower ins/taxes/registartion?

Jim,

My gut feeling is that he is simply getting tired of the games that Kalifornia is playing and is trying to look ahead and protect himself. Now that the smog regulations are changing from county to county and what passed this month may not be legal next month does not give one a "warm and fuzzy" feeling.

Besides a trust protects the owner in several ways and from what I have seen is a good idea for any owner.

Your thoughts on this?

Thx,

Joe

[Talewinds]

I was doing Phoenix PD ride-alongs in beautiful Sunny Slope. We were running license plates and bro-in-law commented that the Camry in front of us was registered to a trust, when I asked him what that meant to him he commented that the only information he could view was the trust name. There are no drivers names/records/priors/nada linked to the vehicle registration.
I found that very interesting. Got to thinking about doing what folks have described in the posts above.
But what else? Are you shielded from certain liabilities? In case of accidents, property damage, etc, is the rest of your estate protected?
What are the benefits?

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Talewinds

I was doing Phoenix PD ride-alongs in beautiful Sunny Slope. We were running license plates and bro-in-law commented that the Camry in front of us was registered to a trust, when I asked him what that meant to him he commented that the only information he could view was the trust name. There are no drivers names/records/priors/nada linked to the vehicle registration.
I found that very interesting. Got to thinking about doing what folks have described in the posts above.
But what else? Are you shielded from certain liabilities? In case of accidents, property damage, etc, is the rest of your estate protected?
What are the benefits?

Benefit is that the vehicle is owned by the trust, not a private person.

Anyone can drive the vehicle, but they have to have permission in writing from the trustee.

It shields everyone from various things and should something happen they can take what is in the trust but thats it, as I understand it.

Also should someone get married, or are in a common law marriage, you split the property owned by the two people. Anything in the trust is separate and not included.

Another friend of mine owned a house in Colorado. His kids used it to live in while in college there but it was not needed now and wanted to sell it. Several years ago the state passed new laws that selling a house that was not a persons primary residence had an additional 22% tax tacked on it. Asked him why he had not put the house in a trust like his Arizona one was and he said it was! In the end he did not sell the house, but sold the trust that controlled the house. Saved over $100,000 in that manner. He did everything legally yet found a loophole. Why not if its legal?

Last, good friend of mine passed three years ago. Every thing major that they owned was in the trust and the wife was secondary trustee. The money she saved in not having to go through probate and estate taxes kept the family in the house and able to survive.

A trust can protect and save you a lot of hassle and money. The rich and famous use them so why not us? When the child molestor Mikey Jackson died, everything in his estate did not go to his family, it went into a private trust that the family controlled.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

It shields everyone from various things and should something happen they can take what is in the trust but thats it, as I understand it.
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Last, good friend of mine passed three years ago. Every thing major that they owned was in the trust and the wife was secondary trustee. The money she saved in not having to go through probate and estate taxes kept the family in the house and able to survive.

Just sayin.....

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

If I could block you from posting on any of my threads, would gladly do it. You may be a professor but frankly do not care what you think.

I have had several vehicles owned by a private trust for years, and a good friend of mine has been doing it for 15 years. The rich do it, so why cant we?

I have a state issued registration number for the trust. Every time I go to the DMV just give them the number and they ask what I would like to do today. Its a bit late for them to catch me as they know where both the trust and I can be found. Its legal, safe and going to continue using it.

Listen up, chucklehead - you post on a public forum, you take the replies you get - you can always set your filter to Ignore.

Your post will be read by lots of others, not just you, so assume I am posting to prevent somebody else from getting hammered if they try to use a trust to evade any state (or federal, county, etc.) law.

It is legal to set up a trust and to have it own a vehicle. it is not legal to use it to evade taxes, registration fees, or pollution testing.

People that try that can experience "unpleasant side effects."

If you are rich, you pay a lawyer to do it right and to make sure you get the advantage of the "legal loopholes" without doing anything illegal with it.

[berettafan]

Not trying to get between Randal and Joey but the thing to take from this thread is trusts and estate taxation are not to be planned/strategized via online car forums.

Just too much underlying detail to consider in so many ways.

[MT930]

An attorney friend from Indiana bought and registered his air plane here in MT to avoid sales tax and other registration fees.
Under a Montana LLC, post office box is here, plane spends 20% of it's time here. Based on the planes registered here it's very common. I would bet only about 40% are on the field (KBZN) at any time.
He does own property here
Saved $75K in sales tax.

Trusts I don't know the advantages on cars or planes.

[daepp]

RWebb - don't be a dick. If the guy doesn't want you to post, why in the world would you bother?

[gatotom]

Joeaksa, First off is it a pure trust??? many kinds out there.

I am not a owner of a pure trust but I do manage a pure trust.

This is my response, I would never say to someone: " I've just purchased a Pure Trust and put all of my assets into it, now my entire profit has become non-taxable"

Very stupid statement and not true but I would say:" I've just accepted a position as the manager of a company which is organized as a Pure Trust. I was appointed by the Board of trustees. I am not one of the owners. The actual owners are a matter of public record. I file my own individual tax return and pay all the taxes that are legally due, based on my individual income."

"Yes, I used to own my own property and equipment. I exchanged all that for some shares and no longer own those assets. I no longer have to spend my time being totally responsible for all that property and equipment. Now I just have shares to look after instead".

A Pure Trust has a recorded T.I.N. number, the trust that I manage was recorded in New Mexico and it is recorded in the county I live in WA state, there is a certificate holder.

You can not get out of paying taxes on property with a Pure Trust but you could with an Alloidial Title which has more hoops and loops to jump thru than what its worth.

I don't know who owns the Pure Trust but they are out of State and I have no idea how to contact the Trustees, their names are a matter of public record.

If the Trust that you manage is all above water, I would expect no questions because everything would have been explained when you became a managing director and that privilage cost this manager 5K in 1996.

[teenerted1]

Originally Posted by RWebb

It is legal to set up a trust and to have it own a vehicle. it is not legal to use it to evade taxes, registration fees, or pollution testing.

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sure it is... why do you think people from washington buy stuff in oregon?
you folks dont pay sales tax.

why do i get gas north or east of oregon....to avoid having some min-wage idiot pumping my own gas and effing up my wipers when they try to clean the windshield.

why do people register their cars as collector vehicles??? to stop having to ever give the state a dime in fees.