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kach22i 08-02-2010 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by milt (Post 5485408)
It's a from of cantilever. And the uprights are already bending.

Good eye, I see that sort of thing on the mass built McMansions where they don't use a stop at the base of the first stair riser in the basement. There the stairs pull away from the floor structure. Here the wood bends, and you know wood bends a lot prior to structural failure, it gives you lots of warning indicators.

This structure is not near failure from what I can tell in this single photo. However I'm interested in the hidden steel plate/splice connection in the four foot dogleg bend at the outer edge. Think of it as a steel biscuit double bolted at each end. Trick stuff, could be a hidden problem in a wet climate. It could also just be a surface applied steel plate on the backside which we cannot see. That would be much easier to pull off and not split the member.

speeder 08-02-2010 08:27 AM

People keep mentioning hurricanes and heavy snows which would cause trees and heavy branches to fall on the car if the car port wasn't there. I'll take the car port, thanks.

daepp 08-02-2010 08:30 AM

I'd build it out of steel or aluminum sandwiched between some good looking 1X.

peppy 08-02-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 5485484)
rain gutter? what rain gutter?

Far right side it is brown, downspout follows one of the braces.

Porsche-O-Phile 08-02-2010 08:49 AM

I'm also a little surprised that there aren't members horizontally tying the three verticals together. It seems like this might be a little weak in torsion, but again it's probably just "brute forced" into being strong enough for code. I really like the fact it's kind of minimal with respect to # of members, even if the members themselves are huge.

Mark Hjelm 08-02-2010 08:54 AM

I like it.

island911 08-02-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 5485489)
... wood bends, and you know wood bends a lot prior to structural failure, it gives you lots of warning indicators.

This structure is not near failure from what I can tell in this single photo. However I'm interested in the hidden steel plate/splice connection....

Yep.

Who ever designed & built that wanted (and got) reactions from people less edjumencated.

masraum 08-02-2010 09:06 AM

Well, visually, I like it. It does look a bit under-engineered, but then I'm not an engineer, and I haven't done the math.

If it was mine, I would feel better if the uprights were steel.

masraum 08-02-2010 09:10 AM

Hah, quick search yielded...

http://www.hallbuilding.com.au/photo...%20Carport.JPG

http://architechome.com/wp-content/u...ort-photos.jpg

Jim Richards 08-02-2010 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by peppy (Post 5485537)
Far right side it is brown, downspout follows one of the braces.

Thanks. I missed that.

island911 08-02-2010 09:32 AM

Cantilever - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

. . .for those trying to correct those who correctly called it a Cantilever design.

RWebb 08-02-2010 10:26 AM

it would have been easy to put uprights over by the retaining wall - it must have been done that way for visual effect

I wonder if the code req'd a struct. eng. to approve the plans?

The Gaijin 08-02-2010 10:43 AM

I kind of like it. Lots of boring and ugly architecture in this world, and this is interesting.

Who knows, maybe it gets braced and tied down for major weather events?

WIL84911 08-02-2010 11:33 AM

Doesn't it look like a bus stop? I now think that played a key part in the design.

911pcars 08-02-2010 11:37 AM

Maybe the lightweight fiberglass sheathing is designed to separate from the structure during high winds. If so, this would reduce the wind load quite a bit.

This thread shows that engineering by the seat-of-the-forum pants is possible, but it's better performed and confirmed on paper.

At the time, most folks thought this would never work either:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1280777749.jpg

Sherwood

stomachmonkey 08-02-2010 11:39 AM

Ran out for lunch today and passed 3 places that I drive by every day. They all had similar structures and I never noticed until now.

WIL84911 08-02-2010 11:41 AM

Sherwood, I think you got something there... and downward force really is what's going to destroy it if ever (like heavy snow which won't happen in that region).

stomachmonkey 08-02-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WIL84911 (Post 5485892)
....(like heavy snow which won't happen in that region).

I'd agree with unlikely to happen.

We got 12 inches at DFW this past winter.

A significant number of car dealers lost inventory when their structures collapsed under the weight.

The Gaijin 08-02-2010 11:50 AM

The things people built - before the world was taken over by 4'x 8' plywood and vinyl siding:

Folly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

daepp 08-02-2010 12:14 PM

These are all over Europe at the Autogrilles:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1280779977.jpg

Ugly. but probably cheap and effective.

futuresoptions 08-02-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milt (Post 5485408)
And the uprights are already bending.



Just about to say that... I like the look and think it would be a great design for the yard to put a park bench under, but where I live, I would be replacing it in FEB/MAR and then again in Jul/AUG....

MT930 08-02-2010 12:54 PM

Interesting look, I like it. Probably works in GA just fine. It would guess it would fail low on the uprights.

Would never work here unless it was made from steel. It would end up downwind after the first 60 MPH gust

daepp 08-02-2010 12:59 PM

I wonder if there's some hidden structural hardware.

RPKESQ 08-02-2010 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=island911;5485342]still making it up as you go, eh? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]

No, I don't make things up. I will admit my experience with cantilever construction is with aircraft. And in aircraft construction a cantilever is a beam supported on one end only.

But I remember your expertise with aircraft.:rolleyes:

tcar 08-02-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEpperson (Post 5486010)
I wonder if there's some hidden structural hardware.

Bet on it.

There are probably some steel gussets sandwiched between the wood members at the joints; the bolts will go through them.

URY914 08-03-2010 03:29 PM

In Florida we call that an insurance claim.

coolngroovy 08-03-2010 03:38 PM

What would i call it?......... just over 1/2 finished!

TimT 08-03-2010 04:09 PM

I simple terms, that is a cantilevered structure..

actually it looks almost statically indeterminate.. but it is not.. the roof is cantilevered from the post... the portion of the roof on the right side is seeing bending stresses also

maybe for schiess and giggles I'll do shear, load, and moment diagrams for the structure..

that is for the cantilevered structure :p

TimT 08-03-2010 04:40 PM

Any of these five conditions can occur singly or in combination

Analysis of the support is pretty easy also.... a braced column



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1280882444.jpg

island911 08-03-2010 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 5486650)
Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5485342)
still making it up as you go, eh? :rolleyes:

No, I don't make things up. I will admit my experience with cantilever construction is with aircraft. And in aircraft construction a cantilever is a beam supported on one end only.

But I remember your expertise with aircraft.:rolleyes:

Are you trying to say that you are an aircraft structural engineer? :cool:

RPKESQ 08-03-2010 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5488154)
Are you trying to say that you are an aircraft structural engineer? :cool:

No I'm not. I'm saying that I have a fair amount of experience in building and restoring aircraft, have been a member of the EAA for 39 years and have work on display in their museum. SmileWavy

island911 08-03-2010 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 5488227)
No I'm not. I'm saying that I have a fair amount of experience in building and restoring aircraft, have been a member of the EAA for 39 years and have work on display in their museum. SmileWavy

Well, alright.

For the record, I'm saying; you shouldn't be correcting people about that which don't fully understand.

. . but, of course, I know; old dog, and new tricks...

Jim Richards 08-04-2010 02:08 AM

Maybe he's a packaging engineer. ;)

RPKESQ 08-04-2010 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5488590)
Well, alright.

For the record, I'm saying; you shouldn't be correcting people about that which don't fully understand.

. . but, of course, I know; old dog, and new tricks...

Oh, just like you did in the solar powered aircraft thread. Right.

Just for the record.

Good for the goose, good for the gander..................

vash 08-04-2010 06:55 AM

TIMt..that gave me shivers!! those eng diagrams.

i like the structure. i think it looks cool. maybe there isnt much uplift from wind?.i dunno. but those poor columns..i think the upper third is already bending a tiny bit.

kanadary 08-04-2010 10:16 AM

looks cool. one less pole to potentially hit when backing out i suppose. i don't know if i would trust it in a wind or snow belt area.

sammyg2 08-04-2010 11:06 AM

I was gonna say that design wouldn't fly in Wyoming, then I realized yes, it would ;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1280948759.jpg

RWebb 08-04-2010 12:00 PM

Ha! I haven't seen that joke since my Biophysics Prof. used it on us in class.

When I lived in Wyo. one winter, the wind really did derail a freight train - near Tie Siding, ironically.

911pcar 08-04-2010 03:01 PM

My intuition says the wood frame is going to be an issue once the newness wears off. However, for all we know it could be a substantial metal structure clad in wood to generate controversy among the civilians. Boo ya.

Or it could be engineered like that suspension bridge in Tacoma, WA.
YouTube - Tacoma Bridge

Sherwood


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