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ckissick 09-19-2010 08:31 PM

Lawyers: Why did my friend lose an easy case?
 
I was the civil engineer on a house project, in which the builder lost money when he sold the house. The builder sued the architect for the money lost, blaming poor design.

I was amazed that the architect was even being sued in the first place, as there was nothing wrong with the design. The builder lost money because he built too nice a house for the neighborhood, and then, of course, real estate prices plummeted. This is in the Bay Area. It was the builder who guided the architect on what he wanted, so the over-design was not the fault of the architect.

Long story short, I thought the builder had no case whatsoever. I testified for hours, and still had the feeling that this was a ridiculous case. But, alas, the buildier won, and is now owed $210K.

So how could this happen? How could the judge come up with such an unfair verdict?

Rick Lee 09-19-2010 08:35 PM

Justice in this country is served about as often as a broken clock is right and also rarely for the right reasons.

TimT 09-19-2010 08:36 PM

Well you have lost your case here,

Since you have failed to define why you should have won the case...

Even though you testified for hours.... your input was apparently ignored..

The other side made a better impression on the Judge?

Joe Bob 09-19-2010 08:48 PM

Hopefully he has Errors and Omissions insurance and is covered, or he appeals, or he takes the hit.....

Evans, Marv 09-19-2010 09:04 PM

Did you say Bay Area ???

Rick Lee 09-19-2010 09:11 PM

I thought there was a case in CA about 10 yrs. ago where a builder refused to sell to a lawyer, figuring he'd be a PITA about everything. As expected, the lawyer sued the builder for discrimination. But he lost because (at that time, at least) lawyers were not a protected class. The law has probably changed since then. I think anything is possible in CA, but judges usually make the law there as they go along.

EarlyPorsche 09-19-2010 09:18 PM

State?

Brando 09-19-2010 09:57 PM

In CA you say?

The judge probably "felt" that the architect could afford to pony up the debt.

Other than that, civil matters have no moral compass.

Danny_Ocean 09-19-2010 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckissick (Post 5570660)
Why did my friend lose an easy case?

Because the builder had a better lawyer.

Scooter 09-19-2010 11:27 PM

Justice is fickle.

Rot 911 09-20-2010 06:03 AM

Cold be any one of a dozen reasons. Here are my top four.

Builder had a better case.
Builder had a better lawyer.
Architect's attorney pissed off the judge.
Builder's attorney was a friend of the judge.

Dottore 09-20-2010 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 5570663)
Justice in this country is served about as often as a broken clock is right and also rarely for the right reasons.

Yup. The judicial system in the US is one of the most capricious in the world. There are few places I would be less inclined to litigate. A complete crapshoot.

tabs 09-20-2010 06:26 AM

The Architect should not have shown up in court wearing a McCain Palin Campaign Button and should have shown up with long scraggly hair, sandals, an Obama Yes We Can button, and with a joint hanging from his lip...all the while mumbling, "Hey man I'm an artist, and I do what artists do, like you dig man!"

ckissick 09-20-2010 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EarlyPorsche (Post 5570719)
State?

San Francisco Bay Area.

BTW, the builder's attorney pissed off the judge repeatedly. And he asked me questions that he undoubtedly thought would be perfect "gotcha" questions, but I shot him down every time. In fact, I could see his face turn red and he looked like he wanted to just slink away a few times. Afterwards, our lawyer and I just sort of chuckled, it went so poorly for them.

Maybe the architect really screwed up when he spoke. It was a deposition, so I was only in the chambers when I testified.

greglepore 09-20-2010 07:34 AM

No offense, but if you didn't sit thru the WHOLE trial, no one can answer your question. Cases are never just one witness. Maybe the builders expert was even more brilliant than you.

TerryBPP 09-20-2010 07:38 AM

As stated above the arch should have liability insurance covering $1 million (req. in FL). The only affect he should feel is a rate hike.

ckissick 09-20-2010 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 5571191)
No offense, but if you didn't sit thru the WHOLE trial, no one can answer your question. Cases are never just one witness. Maybe the builders expert was even more brilliant than you.

That's just it. No one's more brilliant than me.;) But, yes, maybe the question should be, "What the hell did the architect say on the stand?"

looneybin 09-20-2010 11:08 AM

liability insurance would only cover errors or omissions by the architect if he made an actual flaw in the design, it wouldn't cover if the house didn't sell for what the builder wanted, that's the risk of building spec.
I can't believe the architect lost that case.
I'm calling my E&O carrier today to see what coverage i have

cgarr 09-20-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rot 911 (Post 5571045)
Cold be any one of a dozen reasons. Here are my top four.

Builder had a better case.
Builder had a better lawyer.
Architect's attorney pissed off the judge.
Builder's attorney was a friend of the judge.

Bet its the last one! "Friend of the Judge" Speaking from experience here.


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