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gtc 09-20-2010 12:48 PM

Cheap Plotter Solutions?
 
We really need a plotter in my office, but the managers in my company are ridiculously stingy (for instance, my office chair was wearing out and I had to patch it up with duct tape). What is the cheapest plotter that you guys have found? Right now we either farm them out to Kinkos ($$$) or I tile the pages onto 11x17. Most of the prints we would make are color wiring schematics about 24"x36" or less.

Thanks,

gr8fl4porsche 09-20-2010 12:55 PM

You say stingy I say resourceful.

I bought a used 36" color plotter off ebay.

Found someone sort-of local. The unit was rebuilt and the guy also replaced several additional pieces at his expense until the unit was perfect. We use it everyday.

Used plotter.
Remanufactured ink cartridges.
Cheapest paper I can find.

I can print 36" x 48" greyscale for less than $ .50

red-beard 09-20-2010 01:10 PM

HP Design Jet 130

It will handle 24" wide sheets. 24x36 will be fine

They have them at Tigedirect for about $1200. I may buy one soon.

onlycafe 09-20-2010 01:29 PM

i was thinking of this......http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1285018178.jpg

Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

stomachmonkey 09-20-2010 01:44 PM

I've worked with people like that.

Remember Syquest Drives?

The media was a bit pricey and my boss would pay me to flip thru PC mags to find the best price then he'd buy 2.

It would cost him $50 to save $5.

I'm guessing that when you tile 11x17 it's for internal use and outsourcing to Kinkos is for the customer or presentation?

Do the cost analysis then make the business decision as if you were paying for it.

See if it still makes sense.

Likely does but until you go thru the exercise you won't have the ammo to win the debate.

Cheap people can be pretty pig headed.

stomachmonkey 09-20-2010 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 5571847)
HP Design Jet 130

It will handle 24" wide sheets. 24x36 will be fine

They have them at Tigedirect for about $1200. I may buy one soon.

Watch the inks. The cartridges have expiration dates and don't work when expired.

gtc 09-20-2010 02:00 PM

To call them stingy is very generous of me.

If you don't mind my asking, how much did you pay for your plotter?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche (Post 5571824)
You say stingy I say resourceful.

I bought a used 36" color plotter off ebay.

Found someone sort-of local. The unit was rebuilt and the guy also replaced several additional pieces at his expense until the unit was perfect. We use it everyday.

Used plotter.
Remanufactured ink cartridges.
Cheapest paper I can find.

I can print 36" x 48" greyscale for less than $ .50


gtc 09-20-2010 02:07 PM

The only way I could sell them on a plotter is with a cost analysis, so that is a given. But I don't think $1200 will fly.

At this point I'm thinking about buying one off craigslist and selling prints to the company at half of what kinkos charges.

gr8fl4porsche 09-20-2010 02:22 PM

I paid $1400 for the rebuilt model. Delivered, setup and tested. Probably had $900 in new parts in it.

red-beard 09-20-2010 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtc (Post 5571925)
The only way I could sell them on a plotter is with a cost analysis, so that is a given. But I don't think $1200 will fly.

At this point I'm thinking about buying one off craigslist and selling prints to the company at half of what kinkos charges.

They are on Ebay for about $700.

I ended up going with an 11x17/13x19 (Super B) for about $120. HP Officejet 7000. 11x17 is a little small for "D" size originals. But they are better than 8.5x11...

MysticLlama 09-20-2010 02:42 PM

Not a bad idea, Kinko's is terribly expensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtc (Post 5571925)
The only way I could sell them on a plotter is with a cost analysis, so that is a given. But I don't think $1200 will fly.

At this point I'm thinking about buying one off craigslist and selling prints to the company at half of what kinkos charges.


stomachmonkey 09-20-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtc (Post 5571925)
The only way I could sell them on a plotter is with a cost analysis, so that is a given. But I don't think $1200 will fly.

At this point I'm thinking about buying one off craigslist and selling prints to the company at half of what kinkos charges.

I was doing a large line redesign for a freelance customer.

He was going to Toy Fair and needed 40 or so mock ups done.

Getting the stuff printed at Kinko's was going to cost him $7-8k in prints alone which he would have had to pay me for up front.

Told him I made a deal with a friend at a service bureau who would do it for 40% off the Kinkos price then ran out and bought a brand new HP 110 Plus NR with roll feeder.

After the printer purchase there was still profit in the prints I did for him plus the actual work of building the boxes.

gtc 09-20-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticLlama (Post 5571986)
Not a bad idea, Kinko's is terribly expensive.

And Kinkos is still cheaper than the print shop we had used before.... we had been paying something like $75 for a 24x36" print. :eek:
Yes, we could have easily paid for a very nice plotter by now. :(

1990C4S 09-20-2010 03:03 PM

Find a used HP 750C. I had two that ran all day every day.

gr8fl4porsche 09-20-2010 03:09 PM

That's what I use.

HP 750C plus

stomachmonkey 09-20-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtc (Post 5572023)
And Kinkos is still cheaper than the print shop we had used before.... we had been paying something like $75 for a 24x36" print. :eek:
Yes, we could have easily paid for a very nice plotter by now. :(

Roughly $10 a sq ft is fairly normal.

The material cost for decent paper and color is maybe $2.

gtc 09-20-2010 03:39 PM

Yeah... I just realized that.
$2 / ft^2 seems high for us... we don't really need nice paper, and I don't think our diagrams would use all that much color ink.

Hmm.... $1000?
plotters, Hewlett Packard, HP, DesignJet, inkjet, cad, cadd

This might work.

looneybin 09-20-2010 05:34 PM

you could also convert them to PDF then email them to a local large format reprographic shop (they used to be blueprint shops, but that has gone the way of the buggy whip)
The shops here charge $0.07 p/sf.
I also have a HP 500 in the office, but i send out larger jobs

gtc 09-21-2010 03:35 PM

Thanks for the input. I did some more digging, and it turns out that 95% our usage is printing out wiring diagrams on demand which are already available at a fairly low price. So I just need to crack the whip and make people order the right quantity from our suppliers.


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