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DARISC 11-26-2010 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 5694218)
This was our biggest complaint against the C4.
Constant squeeks and rattles from the dash and the targa top.
Luckily, I never had the electronic dash fail like so many did.

Mine was a 1994, so I had the 300hp LT-1 and the ZF 6-speed.
My C5 was solid as a rock, rattle and squeak free. I was pretty impressed. Always heard the prior cars were terrible in those, and certain other, respects (was never a Vette fan until the C5).

So dash failure was common in the older ones? I don't know if it was in the C5, but mine sure failed.

Oh yeah, one feature I thought was a trivial gimmick but found that I really, really liked was the head-up display. So much so that I think there ought to be a federal mandate requiring all cars to have them - ASAP after prohibiting LED screens that show non-essential info and have to be fiddled with and ANY cell phone usage when the vehicle is moving - which I expect will happen any never, now.

MES 944 11-26-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by legion (Post 5691176)
Went and test drove a 2000 Z06 (that would make it a C5, Vash) a few months ago.

Car had been driven hard and put away wet. It was out of alignment and one of the calipers was seized. Synchros on 2nd were toast and it wouldn't reliably go into 1st gear. Being sold by third owner who had no maintenance records and bought it from a dealership that bought it at auction. He was asking $16,500. I thought the price was high for the condition of the vehicle.

Still, the power delivery was smooth and precise. I drove my best friend's '99 hard top, (with only 8,000 miles on it), so I knew that a better example would be a better drive. It's on my list of cars to consider when I get back into sports cars. (Which looks like it may be awhile.) Even with the problems listed above, I could probably spend less than $2k and fix all of them (including the tranny problems!).

The 2000 Z06 had a relatively anemic 350 hp. I believe the Z06 has gotten a power bump every year since its introduction. Heck, even the current "base" Corvette has 450 hp now.

Besides being cheap to fix and keep running, the other advantage I saw was that there are tons of upgrades available for everything, and you don't even need to do it piecemeal. You can literally buy whole engineered performance kits that include everything--even new engine mappings. And there are a lot of them: superchargers, turbochargers, dual turbochargers, even just new cylinder heads and exhaust.
The First year for the C-5 Z-06 was 2001, rated at 385HP, in 2002 it went to 405HP.

Zeke 11-26-2010 12:12 PM
I rode in one of the instructor's C5 Z06's at Open Track Racing. Mike, you may know him as the "fireman." The car does some weird stuff in T1 but he managed it just fine. I just felt the suspension porpoising from alternate corners on the car.
Maybe it wasn't completely dialed in, but his lap times were good. Good brakes on the car. I don't know about 1/2 hour later.

Jim Bremner 11-26-2010 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 5694285)
My C5 was solid as a rock, rattle and squeak free. I was pretty impressed. Always heard the prior cars were terrible in those, and certain other, respects (was never a Vette fan until the C5).

So dash failure was common in the older ones? I don't know if it was in the C5, but mine sure failed.

Oh yeah, one feature I thought was a trivial gimmick but found that I really, really liked was the head-up display. So much so that I think there ought to be a federal mandate requiring all cars to have them - ASAP after prohibiting LED screens that show non-essential info and have to be fiddled with and ANY cell phone usage when the vehicle is moving - which I expect will happen any never, now.
DARSIC,

I do not want to live in a country with your laws. I do belive that there's room for 1 more law. It would stand that for each new law on the books 2 more would need to be removed prior to the first one passing.

DARISC 11-26-2010 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 5694315)
DARSIC,

I do not want to live in a country with your laws. I do belive that there's room for 1 more law. It would stand that for each new law on the books 2 more would need to be removed prior to the first one passing.
DARSIC?

Whatever, Broomer.

Why don't you sweep on over to PARF and start a thread on that topic there?

My mistake for making such an incendiary comment here. :rolleyes:

cashflyer 11-26-2010 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 5694285)
So dash failure was common in the older ones?
I had heard about it from a friend who owned a 1986 model. He said it was a pretty common thing, and that the dealers regarded them as "replace only - not repairable".

I did a quick Google to see what turned up, and Corvette Magazine seems to indicate the failure rates were high between 1984 and 1989.

DARISC 11-26-2010 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 5694357)
...dealers regarded them as "replace only - not repairable"...
As I recall, I think that was the case with my C5 as well.

RANDY P 11-26-2010 01:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 5694357)
I had heard about it from a friend who owned a 1986 model. He said it was a pretty common thing, and that the dealers regarded them as "replace only - not repairable".

I did a quick Google to see what turned up, and Corvette Magazine seems to indicate the failure rates were high between 1984 and 1989.

90 went back to the analog tach and digital speedo...The 89 and earlier went black, in fact anything GM made in that era went black.

rjp

legion 11-26-2010 06:27 PM
Yeah, it was a 2001 I drove. And yes it had 385 hp. Everything else was correct.

LWJ 11-26-2010 07:53 PM
I just saw an 04 Zo6. Selling for 23K with 51K miles I believe. Sounds like stupid, cheap fun. It is even somewhat attractive. One of those things that makes you say "hmm."

Larry

MMARSH 11-27-2010 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by turbocarrera (Post 5694469)
I went with my bud to pick up his brand new '07 Z06 and omg what a fun car - for about a month. Constantly in the shop. He let me drive it the day he bought it and again about 3 months later and I was shocked - what a POS.

There are well-built EFI'd 930's for sale right now for 30K-35K that will just pound a C6 Z06 - it's crazy. GM's fiberglass or Porsche's legendary iron?

Here's DonE's from the turbo board - it's impeccably put together. No bids. Sad.

Porsche : 911 - eBay (item 270660837214 end time Nov-14-10 18:20:03 PST)
Funny, I just rode in a 06 Z06 at the Streets of Willow a few weeks back. Buddy of mine bought it brand new and it's been a track car it's entire life. So although it only has about 10K miles on it. 95% of them have been on the track. I was very very impressed. That car was rock solid and would pound any porsche I've driven. That being said, Also have another buddy who just had to have an engine replacement on his Legendary Iron from germany. So maybe your buddy got a Monday built Z06 and my buddy got a Monday built 997.

ted 11-27-2010 06:15 AM
:mad:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 5695076)
Funny, I just rode in a 06 Z06 at the Streets of Willow a few weeks back. Buddy of mine bought it brand new and it's been a track car it's entire life. So although it only has about 10K miles on it. 95% of them have been on the track. I was very very impressed. That car was rock solid and would pound any porsche I've driven. That being said, Also have another buddy who just had to have an engine replacement on his Legendary Iron from germany. So maybe your buddy got a Monday built Z06 and my buddy got a Monday built 997.
Hi Mike good to hear from you.
Surprised you don't hold a little hate for Vettes after Rupart rammed your 911 at Big Willow years ago. :mad:
This year Vette had a recall for a problem with piston rings.
A few years ago this car too was burning some oil so the owner took it to the dealer.
The dealer said no problem we'll replace it with a new engine.
The service writer walked out to the car saw a roll bar and told the owner, no dice.
Track work voids your engine warranty. :rolleyes:
So the owner did what any good car guy would do and spent 10k on a performance rebuild. :)
Hope to catch up with you on a fun day at the track in 2011.
Did you end up building a Factory 5 car, still on the bike at work?
Stay safe, Happy Holidays! :)

Hawkney911 11-27-2010 06:39 AM
I bought a low mile C5 this summer and have been very happy with the car. I am 23 and have been working on my dad's 78sc and my brothers 80sc for the last 6 years or so. When I had enough saved to buy a sports car I knew I could not afford major unexpected maintenance that can come with a 911, especially if it was to be used occasionally for auto cross and track days. The LS series motors are built proof and respond very well to bolt on but try to avoid the corvette tax buy not shopping on Corvette specific websites stick to summit and other f-body websites. Best of Luck

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kaisen 11-27-2010 08:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ted (Post 5695238)
:mad:

This year Vette had a recall for a problem with piston rings.
A few years ago this car too was burning some oil so the owner took it to the dealer.
The dealer said no problem we'll replace it with a new engine.
The service writer walked out to the car saw a roll bar and told the owner, no dice.
Track work voids your engine warranty. :rolleyes:
So the owner did what any good car guy would do and spent 10k on a performance rebuild. :)
Well, it is a TSB, not a recall.... a recall has to be performed, by law, regardless.
Every manufacturer has a clause about abuse. Even Porsche.
Still, unless there is a direct causal relationship between the abuse and the affected part, they will warrant it. Some dealers are stickier than others. You can always get the DSM zone manager involved and more often than not, they will honor the warranty even with evidence of racing. Porsche is no different. I know a guy who lunched a 2004 996 transmission and Porsche declined, looking into stored telemetry and seeing a missed shift (over redline).

$10K would buy a TREMENDOUS performance engine rebuild. You can buy an entire replacement LS6 (405hp) for half that. And you can rebuild one for a fraction.

Another great resource for these cars is ls1tech.com and the best parts and support (IMHO) is from Jason at Katech (katechengines.com), Doug Rippie at DRM, Byron at TPIS, or Boos Performance (boosperformance.com)

Jim Bremner 11-27-2010 09:30 AM
YouTube - Jay Leno's C6RS Pratt and Miller Corvette

BlueSideUp 11-27-2010 10:09 AM
It should be easy to find a lawyer foolish enough to make themselves look like a dumbass in front of a judge arguing that one.

On a related note I drove a friend's C6 Z06 and it was an incredible car. I wasn't brave enough to disable the stability control for fear of landscaping someone's yard with it but the system allows for a little hoonage with the stability control on.

ted 11-27-2010 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 5695550)
I was hoping they would find a place/track and really run it.
Betcha that one costs more than a Porsche.

Interesting Jay's story about the vintage Vettes.
That had a requirement every 100 miles to re-torque the knock off wheels.
Glad I never went down the that path with my RSR look 911 rims. ;)

Nice silver Vette, good for you, 23 and already owns a good looking sports car. :)
I'll tell my wife I met someone under 25 that has one too. :D

Good info guys thanks for chiming in with all the Vette issues.
I read somewhere the first year C6 did have some electrical gremlins.

DARISC 11-27-2010 10:40 AM
WTF? Izzat the new Vette? Cool! They look like warts. Those are b!tchin. I can't believe you did that. Where can I get them? Can you change 'em back to original? Those are fugly. I love 'em! Are you fkn' nuts?...

Just a random sampling of comments I recieved when I modified my '99 to pay homage to my first sports car, a '59 bugeye Sprite. :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1290885707.jpg

The units are a street car version of those on the C5R. They added 30.314159265 mph to the car's top speed (at nignt) and only reduced it during the day by 3.14159265 mph.



I of course kept the original pop-ups, which could be bolted back in. :)

kaisen 11-27-2010 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by turbocarrera (Post 5695590)
question about declining the warranty on a missed shift - doesn't that mean the rev limiter failed and your warranty should be honored? I guess you could grab too low a gear on the downshift but they really should have some kind of electro-mechanical lockout for that.. I'd lawyer up!:rolleyes:
Seriously!? The rev limiter will stop spark and/or fuel. But it cannot stop the transmission from turning the engine, which is what happens during a missed shift.

Racerbvd 11-28-2010 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kaisen (Post 5695853)
Seriously!? The rev limiter will stop spark and/or fuel. But it cannot stop the transmission from turning the engine, which is what happens during a missed shift.
A local PCA racer asked why his Rev Limiter didn't work on a missed shift..


















































Of course, that shift was going into the Bus-Stop at Daytona:eek: and he went from 5th to 2nd:eek:
I'll up your bug eyes with a Link nose:p
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DARISC 11-28-2010 08:39 AM
Yikes! :eek:

At least that one looks mean. Mine just looked kinda goofy. :)

Zeke 11-28-2010 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 5695550)
I had to turn that off after Leno said, "It has a lot of carbon fiber" for about the 5th time in the first 2 minutes. That and Carolla is an idiot.

Between the 2 of them, they reduced the lure of a Corvette significantly.

Re: the roll bar and the warranty. So, we're not allowed to amp up the safety factor in our sports cars for the sake of safety itself? I think the service manager was jumping at conclusions.

Now, if he were to bend down and pull hot rubber chunks off the inside of the wheel wells, then I think he did his job. The roll bar thing is like finding a pair of driving gloves in the console and blaming the driver for racing.

DARISC 11-28-2010 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueSideUp (Post 5695616)
...I wasn't brave enough to disable the stability control for fear of landscaping someone's yard with it but the system allows for a little hoonage with the stability control on.
That's one feature I hated on my '99. Had to remember to turn it off every time you started the car. Looked into getting it disabled - no luck.

Pulled into fast traffic from a stop once, with plenty of room if I got on it a bit. Got into the lane, just began accelerating and it cut in, suddenly no power at all, like the engine had stalled. Only momentarily, but made me feel real uneasy catching a glimpse of the car behind me closing fast until it lit off again. Seems to me I read that they desensitized that feature a bit in later years.

And, of course, it wouldn't allow ya to show off by roasting the tires. :)

I never understood all the pissin' and moanin' over the skip-shift feature. It only functioned below a pretty low rpm, quite a bit lower than what I shifted at even during my most relaxed driving. I don't think I even ever experienced it other than when I first bought the car and consciously tried to get it to work. After that, I totally forgot about it. I think that that feature could be and was disabled by some owners.

MMARSH 11-28-2010 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ted (Post 5695238)
:mad:

Hi Mike good to hear from you.
Surprised you don't hold a little hate for Vettes after Rupart rammed your 911 at Big Willow years ago. :mad:
This year Vette had a recall for a problem with piston rings.
A few years ago this car too was burning some oil so the owner took it to the dealer.
The dealer said no problem we'll replace it with a new engine.
The service writer walked out to the car saw a roll bar and told the owner, no dice.
Track work voids your engine warranty. :rolleyes:
So the owner did what any good car guy would do and spent 10k on a performance rebuild. :)
Hope to catch up with you on a fun day at the track in 2011.
Did you end up building a Factory 5 car, still on the bike at work?
Stay safe, Happy Holidays! :)

Hey Mike,

Good to hear from ya. Was just talking about you with my dad the other day. He had the issue of Excellance sitting on the coffee table with your car in it. Looks like retirement is suiting you well :)

Yes I ended up building the FF5 car. Took it to the track and it was a blast. Then I started getting into the bikes more and never raced it. Just finishing up a dedicated track bike now to go along with my 5 other street bikes and I'm still on the bike at work. I'm selling the FF5. Still have the 911, but have been thinking about selling it too, just to get rid of some stuff. If I keep the 911(probably will) would love to catch up sometime at a event.

PS. I do still get the shakes alittle everytime I see a White Corvette. But I should be ok around yours.

Racerbvd 11-28-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 5697439)
Neat car - I drove one at the track at Bob Bondurant over the summer. The interior feels cheap, but the power and handling are very good. Doesn't have the soul of a 911 or other Porsche...-Wayne
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cashflyer 11-30-2010 06:34 AM
Yea!! Corvette ranks on the Forbes list of the top 5 "worst environmental footprint" for 2011 models - number 2 behind the GMC Yukon! LINK

kaisen 11-30-2010 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 5700662)
Yea!! Corvette ranks on the Forbes list of the top 5 "worst environmental footprint" for 2011 models - number 2 behind the GMC Yukon! LINK
If you ever buy a sports car for its carbon dioxide production, you deserve to be slapped.

That link outlines exactly what is wrong with the sheeple mentality of the greenies in the US. It SIMPLY takes fuel economy numbers and calculates how much CO2 must be produced making many assumptions along the way. Horrible science. But some pious Pruis owner will LOVE telling their relatives at the Holiday dinner table how their Yukon is killing all the fish in the sea.

Vintage Racer 11-30-2010 11:56 AM
I owned a C5Z06 for many years. It was a great car, but I soon tired of it after the suspension started wearing out. The oil temperature gauge (yes, they have an oil temp gauge) started showing higher temps, and the oil pressure started to show lower readings at track speeds.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...obraR/Z06a.jpg

Just don't buy one that has been abused. :D

Laneco 11-30-2010 12:54 PM
Byron,

That teener doesn't have a soul. It eats them! :eek:

What is he running for a transaxle?

angela

Vintage Racer 11-30-2010 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Laneco (Post 5701383)
What is he running for a transaxle?
It's probably the standard M12 6-speed manual transmission with a 3:42 rear gear.

The dash has a TRANS OVER TEMP warning when the car transaxle goes above the factory recommended temperatures on the track.

kaisen 11-30-2010 01:54 PM
I'm pretty sure she meant the 914/8

Those v8 conversions usually run a 930 four speed transaxle

Vintage Racer 11-30-2010 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kaisen (Post 5701561)
I'm pretty sure she meant the 914/8

Those v8 conversions usually run a 930 four speed transaxle
OK.

But why post that in a Corvette thread?

Why do a 8-cyl 914 when a 2.5L twin-plug 914 can not be beat on the race track? :D

Why do a V-8 when you can put a V-10 from a Carrera GT in the car? :confused:
:D

Racerbvd 11-30-2010 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintage Racer (Post 5701614)
OK.

But why post that in a Corvette thread?

Why do a 8-cyl 914 when a 2.5L twin-plug 914 can not be beat on the race track? :D

Why do a V-8 when you can put a V-10 from a Carrera GT in the car? :confused:
:D
I posted it because of this..
Quote:

Doesn't have the soul of a 911 or other Porsche


and I have a 3.0 twin plug in my 914:p with Weber 46s....:p

What is the status on the Z06:cool:

ted 12-01-2010 07:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 5701679)
What is the status on the Z06:cool:
Thanks got it.
Bob the seller and I found we have a couple of long time mutual friends so the sale was as smooth as could be.
In fact a friend referred me to Bob a couple months ago just because I was concerned I might be too tall for a C5.
Bob is 7 foot tall and we talked about his Vette experience.
Then he offered he was thinking about selling his as he has a NASCAR, a vintage Cobra and a couple Thunder roadsters.
Yesterday he drove from Salt Lake City to San Diego with the Vette on a trailer, it passed the PPI.
165 compression within 5% on a cold engine.
Bob upgraded anything he thought would fail or had failed at the track.
The deal included a new set of Kumho 710s and 2 spare front rims and 4 spare rear rims with used 710s, tire management made easy. :)
I offered to help pay for his 18 hour round trip to deliver the car but he refused.
Bob's a member at the Spring Mtn track club near Vegas, a super cool dude.
He likes to join the Porsche clubs when they rent the track, he knows that track well.
So this morning after a quick clay bar and wax I'm looking forward to some seat time.

Thanks again for all the comments, I’ve enjoyed reading all of them. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/beerchug.gif

911 and the Vette seemed to get along fine first night alone. ;)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1291220163.jpg

If you see Tall Bob at the track give him a point bye for me. :cool:

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Racerbvd 12-01-2010 07:52 AM
Congrats and enjoy the new toy!! What a great deal you got as well...

DARISC 12-01-2010 07:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ted (Post 5702844)
...911 and the Vette seemed to get along fine first night alone. ;).
And 911 is now relegated to the back of the garage, eh? :(

Must've taken' some kind o' jockey'n to get her sideways like that. :eek:

Or is that one o' them there rare, really narrow body Carreras, and ya drove it in through that door on the right? :D

ted 12-01-2010 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 5702904)
And 911 is now relegated to the back of the garage, eh? :(

Must've taken' some kind o' jockey'n to get her sideways like that. :eek:

Or is that one o' them there rare, really narrow body Carreras, and ya drove it in through that door on the right? :D
I rolled the 911 back to get them in the same photo.
That's just the right half side of the garage, silly. :)
You are the first mistaken my 911 as a narrow body. ;)
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450knotOffice 12-01-2010 08:05 AM
Congratulations, Mike! I'm sure it'll be great fun.

ted 12-01-2010 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 5702939)
Congratulations, Mike! I'm sure it'll be great fun.
Scott, between you and Pat lmk when we can share a track day! :cool:
Happy landings. :)

450knotOffice 12-01-2010 08:14 AM
Absolutely, Mike. :) Hopefully, the beginning of the new year for me.


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