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DARISC 12-02-2010 09:31 PM

Puzzle anyone?
 
Begin with a 10 oz. jar of water and a 10 oz. jar of ink.
Dip out a small ammount, say 1 oz., of ink and pour it into the water.
Don’t stir the water/ink solution.
Or, stir the water/ink solution.
But don't cap and shake violently.
Or, if you do cap and shake violently,
wait for bubbles to disappear before doing the following:
Dip out 1 oz. of the water/ink solution.
Pour it into the ink.

Does the bottle of water contain more ink than the bottle of ink contains water?

crustychief 12-02-2010 09:34 PM

Is the ink water based?

DARISC 12-02-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crustychief (Post 5706116)
Is the ink water based?

Good question.

Imagine a pure liquid carbon ink.
Imagine the water is pure, hydrated H20 powder.
Or distilled water.

Edit: no "trick" question here, no word games, etc.

Steve Carlton 12-02-2010 09:56 PM

I'd say it's the same amount.

1 oz ink gets added to 10 oz water, so the water bottle is 10/11ths water. One oz of this is 0.909 water into the ink jar. The water bottle is 1/11 ink, so 10 ounces x 1/11 = 10/11 = 0.909 ink in the water jar.

crustychief 12-02-2010 09:56 PM

Just a WAG but the bottle of ink contains less water than the water contains ink.

porsche4life 12-02-2010 10:03 PM

So... How much ink are we to assume has bonded with the H2O? The bubbles would be evolving gases, AKA ink decomposing....

DARISC 12-02-2010 10:21 PM

Witholding acknowledgement of the above posts for the moment, I'll add that you have to prove your answer using two different color marbles.

porsche4life 12-02-2010 10:23 PM

You can't change the rules midgame! No fair!

DARISC 12-02-2010 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 5706141)
So... How much ink are we to assume has bonded with the H2O? The bubbles would be evolving gases, AKA ink decomposing....

For this question, assume none of that applies.

Steve Carlton 12-02-2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 5706153)
Witholding acknowledgement of the above posts for the moment, I'll add that you have to prove your answer using two different color marbles.

Huh?

DARISC 12-02-2010 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 5706173)
Huh?

Yep. I can prove the correct answer with marbles; only two (and a bunch of words).

But using 6 or 8, or a few more, is easier.

porsche4life 12-02-2010 11:20 PM

I can get the answer using two marbles..... Using my boot to kick you square in your two marbles until you spit out the answer.... ;)


Sorry, I'm in one of those moods.

DARISC 12-02-2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 5706132)
I'd say it's the same amount.

1 oz ink gets added to 10 oz water, so the water bottle is 10/11ths water.

True.

One oz of this is 0.909 water into the ink jar.

But what if you didn't stir the water after putting in the ink? Then you don't know what you've dipped out, eh?

Given that, can you still say, with absolute certainty, that...


"The water bottle is 1/11 ink, so 10 ounces x 1/11 = 10/11 = 0.909 ink in the water jar." ?

..

BK911 12-03-2010 05:28 AM

The water is 90.909% water and 9.09% ink
The ink is 90.009% ink and 9.99% water

So the ink contains more water.

Edit: This is assuming a homogenious mixture. If not, no idea what you scoop out.

cashflyer 12-03-2010 05:50 AM

What is the specific gravity of the ink?

MBAtarga 12-03-2010 06:10 AM

Is there a cool collar around either of the jars?

A930Rocket 12-03-2010 06:20 AM

Is either one on a conveyor belt?

GH85Carrera 12-03-2010 06:22 AM

Are you talking about an ounce as mass or volume?

Mo_Gearhead 12-03-2010 07:36 AM

10 Black marbles @ 1 oz. ea. = Ink jar
10 White marbles @ 1 oz ea. = Water Jar

Remove one black marble from Ink Jar and add it to the Water Jar

Water Jar now has 11 marbles @ 10 to 1 ratio (white to black)

Reach in (blind) and remove one random marble (odds are 10 to 1 that it will be a white marble) and put that marble in the Ink Jar.

QUOTE: "Does the bottle of water contain more ink than the bottle of ink contains water"

The Vegas line says: Bet with Mr. Carlton - 9 white one black / 9 black one white ... but people do win the lottery occasionally ..so....) :)

Z-man 12-03-2010 07:45 AM

What this transfer of fluids done in the back of a Black Audi Wagon?

If so, then the answer is:
48 angry 911 owners.

-Z

DARISC 12-03-2010 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 5706426)
What is the specific gravity of the ink?

Not a factor here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 5706453)
Is there a cool collar around either of the jars?

Nothing illegal going on here.
Quote:

Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 5706470)
Is either one on a conveyor belt?

Yes or no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 5706471)
Are you talking about an ounce as mass or volume?

Fluid oz.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 5706592)
What this transfer of fluids done in the back of a Black Audi Wagon?

If so, then the answer is:
48 angry 911 owners.

Nope. :)

Hint:

Is a broken clock ever right?
Yes, once a day.
Good answer - but not good enough.

Mo_G playing with marbles; that's good...and a requirement, don't forget. SmileWavy

DARISC 12-03-2010 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 5706132)
The water bottle is 1/11 ink, so 10 ounces x 1/11 = 10/11 = 0.909 ink in the water jar.

If you replace "is" with "could be", then "is" true. :)

Head416 12-03-2010 09:34 AM

I think what he's getting at is that even without a uniform mixture, the amount of water/ink will be the same, even if you can't say what that percentage is.

Say you take 1 ounce of ink and put it in the water, but do not mix it. Then you take 1 ounce out of this mixture, but you have no way of knowing what percentage of that ounce is ink. So, if this ounce has x ounces of ink (some fraction of 1 ounce) then the eyedropper has (1-x) ounces of water. When you add it to the ink, you now have (9+x) ounces of ink and (1-x) ounces of water. (9+x)+(1-x)=10 ounces

So in the water you had 10 ounces, added 1 ounce of ink, then removed x ounces of ink and (1-x) ounces of water. So the amount of water is [10-(1-x)]=(9+x) and the amount of ink is (1-x).

Mo_Gearhead 12-03-2010 09:37 AM

Quote: Hint:

Is a broken clock ever right?
Yes, once a day.
Good answer - but not good enough.
___________________

Well, you stated "No word games" ?

A broken clock is correct TWICE a day (day = 24 hours) unless you are saying once each day - and once each night?


YOUR QUESTION:

"Does the bottle of water contain more ink than the bottle of ink contains water"


MY ANSWER : No

I thought it obvious - even if the 'lottery winner' by chance picked the black marble and replaced it in the Ink Jar - the answer to your posed question remains the same. No.

DARISC 12-03-2010 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 5706818)
YOUR QUESTION:

"Does the bottle of water contain more ink than the bottle of ink contains water"


MY ANSWER : No

I thought it obvious - even if the 'lottery winner' by chance picked the black marble and replaced it in the Ink Jar - the answer to your posed question remains the same. No.

WINNAH!

And proven using the min. ammt. of marbles necessary! :D

Congrats!

1990C4S 12-03-2010 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 5706721)
:

Is a broken clock ever right?

Not if it's digital. So the answer could be zero, one, or two.

DARISC 12-03-2010 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Head416 (Post 5706810)
I think ...So in the water you had 10 ounces...

Second place winnah!

You'd have tied Mo with a marble proof - unless you used more marbles than he did. SmileWavy

BK911 12-03-2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK911 (Post 5706398)
The water is 90.909% water and 9.09% ink
The ink is 90.009% ink and 9.99% water

So the ink contains more water.

Edit: This is assuming a homogenious mixture. If not, no idea what you scoop out.

I messed up with a decimal point in my calculation.

They are the same!!

DARISC 12-03-2010 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK911 (Post 5706897)
I messed up...!!

Too bad. Time to pick up your marbles and go home. ;)

PRE-H20 12-14-2010 02:05 PM

Begin with a 10 oz. jar of water and a 10 oz. jar of ink.

blah blah blah

Does the bottle of water contain more ink than the bottle of ink contains water?

you didnt tell us how many ounces of water the bottle has.......... if you tell us how many ounces the bottle has compared to the jar its simple.

M.D. Holloway 12-14-2010 02:11 PM

Is the ink well sorted out?

sammyg2 12-14-2010 03:47 PM

Wait, we start with a 10 oz. jar, but you don't actually tell us how much water or ink is in the jars. One could be a 10 oz jar of water that is only 1/4 full!

lm6y 12-14-2010 06:06 PM

What the hell does this have to do with snow tires, or a Dillon reloading machine?

VaSteve 12-14-2010 06:07 PM

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to stir it or not. Or shake violently.

DARISC 12-14-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 5706818)
..."Does the bottle of water contain more ink than the bottle of ink contains water"

...even if the 'lottery winner' by chance picked the black marble and replaced it in the Ink Jar - the answer to your posed question remains the same. No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK911 (Post 5706897)
...They are the same!!

..

Mo_Gearhead 12-14-2010 09:07 PM

Why start a new thread-

Smith lives on 13th Ave. which has houses numbered from 13 to 1300.
Jones wants to know the number of Smith's house.

Jones asks: "Is it less than 500?"
Smith answers - but he lies.

Jones asks: "Is it a perfect square?"
Smith answers - but he lies again.

Jones asks: "Is it a perfect cube?"
Smith answers and this time tells the truth.

Jones says: "If I knew whether or not the second figure was '1' - I could tell you the number of the house.

Smith tells him whether or not the second figure is '1' and Jones announces what he thinks is the number of the house.
But he is wrong.

Question : What is the number of Smith's house?


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