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m21sniper 04-05-2011 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azasadny (Post 5944332)
Yep, the Hi-Powers I saw at the gun shop yesterday ranged from $950 to $1200. But then again, you always have to pay more for quality... If I wanted "cheap", I could buy a Hi Point!

The owner of the company refers to hi points as "The cadillac of ****."

LOL

They are ugly as hell and big, bulky, and heavy....but they do actually work, and work well. Especially for the money. Their 995 Carbines are actually really sweet shooters, and dirt cheap.

azasadny 04-05-2011 05:50 PM

Ordered my Parkerizing kit today...
 
I ordered this kit:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302054605.jpg

from this website:
Large Grey Firearms Kit

targa911S 04-05-2011 06:13 PM

back on topic....

azasadny 04-05-2011 06:36 PM

My brother-in-law and I were going to Parkerize his Jennings J22 pistol to practice, but we decided not to do that. I'm going to get everything ready next weekend and then hopefully Parkerize the M1911A1 the following weekend, provided the gunsmith is done sandblasting the gun by then. Hopefully, the gun will be reassembled and test fired on Easter weekend.

targa911S 04-05-2011 06:43 PM

be sure to post pics. Your package went out today. Sorry I had a busy weekend, two gigs in 3 days.

azasadny 04-10-2011 12:43 PM

David,
Thanks for the Rig grease! I've been greasing up the guns and waiting for the Parkerizing kit to arrive and I hope to get the M1911A1 back this week from the sandblaster. My wife donated an electric roaster with a nice temperature gauge, so I can get the solution to the proper temp and keep it there for the Parkerizing process. I'll also be using a candy-making thermometer to verify the temps and I hope to have the final prep work done next Saturday, then Parkerize on Sunday. I'll plan on reassemblying the gun on Easter weekend.

azasadny 04-11-2011 06:27 PM

My wife called and told me the Parkerizing kit arrived safe and sound and the gunsmith will have the pistol sandblasted by Wednesday, so when I head back home Thursday night after my work week here in Okemos, I'll start the prep work for Parkerizing this weekend! I'll take pictures of the entire process in case anyone else here wants to try it...

azasadny 04-11-2011 06:29 PM

Ordered this kit on the 5th of April and it arrives on the 11th, not bad at all!!

Large Grey Firearms Kit

targa911S 04-11-2011 07:28 PM

That's great news Art and I'm looking forward to your post. Please. promise me you will be extra careful.

azasadny 04-12-2011 02:44 AM

David,

I will be very careful! I'll do the Parkerizing out in the "man cave" (garage). I have very good ventilation out there, excellent lighting and some adult supervision (my neighbors).

You should receive your .223 Remington "care package" today!

mossguy 04-12-2011 04:34 AM

Art,

How is the gout?

azasadny 04-12-2011 05:05 AM

Thanks for asking! I have almost constant low-level pain that I take Aleve for. Last night was difficult to sleep because of the pain. I'm still on the 300mg of Allopurinol and my SUA is 4.3, so I shouldn't be having this pain, if I understand this ailment correctly...

azasadny 04-13-2011 02:46 PM

Back from the sandblaster...
 
I picked up the M1911A1 from the sandblaster this afternoon after work...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734432.jpg
The darker spots are grease to prevent rust until it's degreased immediately prior to Parkerizing..
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734477.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734565.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734607.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734668.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734714.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734767.jpg

azasadny 04-13-2011 02:50 PM

Back from the sandblaster...Pt 2.
 
More pics...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734867.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734898.jpg
These parts didn't get sandblasted because the gunsmith felt they were too "fragile"...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302734930.jpg

I'll be home again tomorrow evening and I'll start the Parkerizing and take pics of the progress this weekend...

azasadny 04-13-2011 03:25 PM

The only bad spot on the entire gun is on the edge of the slide, below the ejection port. The gunsmith didn't touch it, although I asked him to fix it if he could. He wasn't there when I picked up the gun today, so he must have decided not to touch the slide. The entire gun was sandblasted for $55, which I think is very reasonable.

BRPORSCHE 04-13-2011 03:58 PM

Art, What are the reasons for the ventilation during the parkerizing? Noxious fumes? Acid?

If you were in Houston I would just let you do the job under our fume hood at work. Saves me every darn day from HF.

Please, please post pics!

azasadny 04-13-2011 04:20 PM

Tom, Thanks for the kind offer! I read that the fumes produced are pretty nasty and can give you a headache, etc... so I'll be doing this in the garage. My garage is detached and at the rear of our lot. The whole thing shouldn't take very long, I just need to bring the solution up to the proper solutions slowly, then dip the parts for 10-15 minutes. I don't have the directions here with me, but I'll follow them carefully as I really don't want to screw anything up on this pistol.

mossguy 04-13-2011 04:31 PM

You are going to use an organic vapors mask, aren't you?

azasadny 04-13-2011 05:00 PM

Tom,
Yep, that's on my list as well as nitrile gloves...I have an "old school" surgical gown (slightly used) that I'll wear, as well. I'll look like Dr Frankenstein!!

targa911S 04-13-2011 07:25 PM

Looks great so far Art. I gotta see pics of you in the mask the gloves and gown. Come on do it. Sorry your smith didn't fix that rough spot for ya. You need a better smith ;-)

targa911S 04-15-2011 03:20 PM

Just got my "thank you" package from Art for restoring his Rem. M51. He hand loaded me enough .223 for me to zero my new .223 plus kill every groundhog in the whole damn county. You da man Art! Thanks!

I love this place.

azasadny 04-15-2011 03:36 PM

I'm glad you're happy with the "thank you" package! I wanted to send you that since I got the Model 51 back... Enjoy!

targa911S 04-15-2011 03:43 PM

Could not be happier. Thanks Art yer a good guy.

Seahawk 04-15-2011 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by targa911S (Post 5966056)
Could not be happier. Thanks Art yer a good guy.

Get a trailer, you two:cool:

Art, if you want me to get the Fleet Marine chesty for you, my pleasure...you earned and deserve it.

azasadny 04-15-2011 05:06 PM

Paul,
Thanks for the very kind offer, but I think I'll get one online and put it with my "veteran stuff". I didn't know that the FMF designation was approved in 2006. When I got mine, it was just a ribbon, although mine does have the "eagle, globe and anchor" in the middle because I served with the USMC during war time, or whatever they called Desert Storm.

azasadny 04-17-2011 11:10 AM

The gout kicked my butt from Wed until today so nothing got done on the pistol this weekend.

Seahawk 04-17-2011 12:16 PM

How about you let me get it for you, as a token of my respect?

Then we'll both have a new sea story...and you never buy the first device you earn. I got my first set of wings from a friend of my fathers. Instant SS:cool:

Best with the gout, Brother.

Quote:

Originally Posted by azasadny (Post 5966236)
Paul,
Thanks for the very kind offer, but I think I'll get one online and put it with my "veteran stuff". I didn't know that the FMF designation was approved in 2006. When I got mine, it was just a ribbon, although mine does have the "eagle, globe and anchor" in the middle because I served with the USMC during war time, or whatever they called Desert Storm.


azasadny 04-17-2011 12:18 PM

Paul,
Thanks, but only if you let me send you some hand loaded ammo!

Seahawk 04-17-2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azasadny (Post 5968791)
Paul,
Thanks, but only if you let me send you some hand loaded ammo!

Done.

I'll be in touch.

azasadny 04-22-2011 01:31 PM

Getting over the latest gout attack, so I'm probably not going to get anything done on the M1911A1 until next weekend. My work assignment in Okemos, MI ends this Friday and I'm starting at a new client site on May 2nd, so lots of stuff going on right now.

targa911S 04-22-2011 06:11 PM

That's Ok. Take your time and be patient. You will do a much better job. It's not like you have a client waiting for his gun. It's a hobby. Have a happy Easter.

azasadny 04-22-2011 06:18 PM

David,
Thanks, you too!!

azasadny 05-14-2011 03:53 PM

Honey, I Parkerized the M1911A1!! multiple parts...
 
Well, today was the day... Parkerized the M1911A1 that I had sandblasted and prepped..
Brought the solution up to 190 degrees...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305416392.jpg
The tank...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305416462.jpg
Degreaser that came with the kit, I used this after the acetone dip...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305416509.jpg
Parts soaking in acetone (degrease)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305416561.jpg
Final degreasing...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305416624.jpg
Final degreasing...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305416687.jpg
Final rinse in hot water, ready for the Parkerizing tank
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305416753.jpg

azasadny 05-14-2011 04:01 PM

Honey, I Parkerized the M1911A1!! pt 2
 
Degreased parts, in hot water, waiting for the tank to reach 190 degrees...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417267.jpg
A watched Parkerizing tank never boils (or reaches 190 degrees)...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417378.jpg
Parts go in...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417431.jpg
Bubblin'...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417484.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417530.jpg
All parts are in...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417577.jpg
Parts come out after 30min and go into hot water rinse... The electric roaster worked very well and stayed right at 190 degrees...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417664.jpg

azasadny 05-14-2011 04:14 PM

Honey, I Parkerized the M1911A1!! pt 3
 
Beth sacrificed her roaster so I could have a Parkerizing tank...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417785.jpg
Tools of the day...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417870.jpg
The chemicals...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417928.jpg
Important fashion accessories...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305417997.jpg
I even read these and followed them closely...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305418053.jpg
The parts after their rinse in hot water, the "black coating" is like a very thick, carbon that has to be cleaned off. Very stubborn, I must say...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305418180.jpg
It came off the frame pretty easily, but the slide is another matter altogether...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305418265.jpg

All parts are soaking in oil tonight and tomorrow I'll get the gun cleaned up, greased with Rig (thanks David!) and get it reassembled... Doing this in the garage with excellent ventilation helped and the "tong method" was really easy. The teflon-coated electric roaster got up to 190 degrees and stayed there, which is very important. The candy thermometer and brewing thermometer were both used to make sure the solution stayed at 190 degrees. So far, so good...

targa911S 05-14-2011 06:26 PM

clap clap clap clap clap! Bravo! Well done Art! Also a great photo journal. Great job!

Oh...and you have a great wife too.

targa911S 05-14-2011 06:29 PM

by the way what are you using to card off the velvet?

Henry Schmidt 05-14-2011 08:39 PM

I have a couple of 1903 Colts that suffered from some neglect in the past so I tried two different methods of restoration. Both projects proved to be very rewarding.
The first one got disassembled, bead blasted, in-house electroless nickle and the trigger was sent out to be gold plated.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305434161.jpg

The second was disassembled, bead blasted and sent to john @ DC camshafts where he Parkerized the pieces for me.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305434207.jpg

azasadny 05-15-2011 03:03 AM

Henry, Those 1903's are beautiful!!

David, Thanks! What should I use to remove the "crystals"? Bronze wool and oil?

azasadny 05-15-2011 03:55 AM

I guess in my Parkerizing research, I missed the part about the process after the parts have been soaking in oil, after the Parkerizing has been completed and the rinse has stopped the process. All of the reading I've done basically said "oil the parts and reassemble the gun" with no mention of "carding off the velvet-like" black crystals left on the metal surfaces...

I thought I would take the parts out of the tank and they would be all pretty and gray... I'm cautious at this point because I don't want to screw up the work that has been done thus far, so I'm thinking I'll lightly apply oiled bronze wool and carefully remove the black coating. It's mostly off the frame, but the slide looks pretty crusty and blotchy. I really hope this project tuens out!


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