I wonder where the stray bullet went. (4 of 5 shots hit the wood carver)



...read, 'public safety' not the cop's top concern.

looks to me a cop on a power trip...

so if you are on your front porch carving.. cop got the right to gun you down??

cops these days are out of control... they shoot first.. and don't suffer any recurcussions when they "make a mistake"...

Well, this one sure did, but I'm not going to pass judgement on cops in general because of the inexcusable actions of one.

The vast majority of cops are the good guys. But, as in any sizable group, a few get in that clearly do not belong.

Different shooting, but the hand bag is on eBay. $$ going to the Recycled Santa project.....of course eBay has pulled the auction twice for rule violations.

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Obligatory...

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Where's the usual defenders of our boys in blue here ? (silverwhaletail for one)

It is pretty clear that this action is indefensible, so unlike many liberals who post here, we don't blindly defend something so wrong.. Hell, this clown whould have shot both Jed Clampett meets Andy Taylor....

"he kinda turned towards me..."

Hmm, that is the criteria for a deadly threat?

I normally give LEO the benefit of the doubt. There doesn't seem to be much doubt on this one - hard to imagine how this is a good shoot.

Has nothing to do with conservative vs liberal Byron, I"m pretty conservative I worry more about the liberals in this country letting the cops run wild (think armed tax collectors)

The comment wasn't aimed at you, but there are some here, nn the left side of the fence, who defend the blatantly wrong, even when others of the same leaning don't defend it. We all know who they are..:p

So are we to assume he didn't have a taser?

Or is it not proper to use it if the perp is holding a knife?

(I realize it has been said the knife was found in a closed position, but that may not have been verified.)

Raise Standards in Hiring. Demand excellence in applicants in all phases of application process. Excellence in intelligence. Excellence in physical ability. Excellence in mental fitness. Excellence in prior work history. Excellence in responsible financial history. Excellence in character, steadfastness, loyalty and stick-to-it-iveness.

Require ongoing psychological/physical/academic testing and training.

Commit to standardized ongoing training. (and the high costs involved)

And be prepared to pay for it, both in upfront costs (high salaries) and ongoing costs (training, training, training) . :D

The use of force continuum is not like an escalator. Its like an elevator.

You can go from level 1 straight to level 7. And nine times out of ten, in the case of an officer involved shooting, that is the way that it happens.

It was the city manager's fault.

The city manager told the police chief that costs for garbage collection are up and tax revenues are down. city manager shouts "we need mo money!"

police chief takes 10 officers from patrol and makes them motor officers so that they can write more tickets and increase revenue for the city. patrol is now 10 officers short.

police officer is pissed off because now he only has time for 10 Starbucks breaks per day instead of the usual 11, due to the added workload. (police officer is working on hot 19 year old Starbucks Girl with big tits and has almost closed the deal)

police officer sees ""Joe the Schitman" (homeless "wood carver") in the business district yet again, walking straight toward the business that is owned by an "Activist" who has called the mayor's office 177 times during the last year complaining about "Joe the Schitman" panhandling in front of his business and scaring off his customers. (by the way, the Activist's business is barely able to make ends meet and contributes nothing to the tax base. Therefore, the Activist's business gets 100x more police attention than any other of the reputable, established, highly profitable businesses that surround the Activist's business) The Activist's business is right next door to the Starbucks, incidentally..

Police Officer has had it with these transients and all of the calls for service that originate because of them. Police Officer gets out of car with a short fuse.

Police Officer provokes response from Joe the Schitman.

Police Officer makes a mistake.

Police Officer goes to Prison.


Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, the city manager did it. I rest my case.

Yep, fault never lies on the officer's shoulder.

I hope the sarcasm masks your true feelings.

So, just how good does one have to be, with a knife, to have any snowball's chance in hell to injure, even scratch, a" trained professional" closing in and wielding a semiautomatic?

I mean, I get* the training argument -kind of. But it seems that anyone who is that good with a knife could just as easily be deadly (or cause injury) with their bare hands.

Ergo, expect the Seattle police to start dropping anyone who doesn't immediately comply -they certainly have been dropping a lot of people with knives, around here.

You guys notice this, 1:04.

He exits the car with his weapon already drawn.

Is that SOP?

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Yes I know its Fox news but I have seen it in other places and no I to think the cop was in the wrong but the guy he shot was not so innocent either......

Seattle Woodcarver: New dash cam video on prior encounters with police shows an angry and threatening John T. Williams. - KCPQ


"According to Seattle Police, officers had encounters with Williams seven times in the month of August alone before he was shot.

The first was August 3rd for public intoxication, followed by a similar car on August 8th. Williams was cited for having an open container and let go. At the time, you can see him holding a board he says he was carving. He also had a can of beer, but told officers earlier in the week he was drinking mouthwash and rubbing alcohol.

In a previous incident, dash cam audio makes it clear that one of the officers was very familiar with the wood carver.

"I write him a ticket every time I can. I stop giving warnings to all of our chronic inebriates. They have housing that we pay for with our tax money and they can drink there and they choose to drink out on the street so I write them a ticket every time,” says the officer.

Four days later there was another encounter with police, when a business called complaining Williams was yelling and swearing at his customers. On August 25th, an angry Williams was stopped for jaywalking. The officers let him off with a warning. Here he had another of his wood carvings with him.

At 7:30 PM the next evening, police got a call claiming Williams was yelling at customers outside the Dick's drive-in on Capitol Hill. The following exchange between a female officer and Williams shows a side of the woodcarver we haven't heard before.

“They don't want you here, you're bothering people,” says the officer.

“F***k you b**ch. I’ll f***ing kill you, all you police force,” shouts Williams.

Once again, they let Williams go, and the officers discussed his unusual behavior in the car.

“Mike stopped him yesterday for walking in traffic and he was acting the same way. He was clenching his fists and they thought he was going to fight."

Williams eighth and final run in with the law last August would take place four days later, when officer Ian Birk pulled over because he says he saw Williams stabbing a knife into piece of wood. "

Honestly that makes it worse.

If this officer had knowledge of the prior encounters then why did he simply not follow and observe the victim while requesting back up?

Why not turn the corner and stop the cruiser in front of the victim so he can confront him with the cruiser between them?

If he had prior knowledge of this specific individuals prior aggressive posture to police then why on earth would he put himself in a compromised situation when he had alternatives.

The victim was walking down the street. He was not engaged in any aggressive or confrontational action with anybody.

There was no immediate perceivable threat to the public.

ah! I see now... the belligerent drunk Indian was actually working on his master plan to kill all of the cops. clearly, that changes everything.

edit: spot-on Monk-man.

Yes he got ot of the car with his piece already out. IMO - He was planning to shoot the man.

And a bad shot.

The article says how the local PD had encounters with this guy and other transients in the past. Seeing a disposition towards this person, it can almost be construed as premeditated, especially given the fact the officer came out gun drawn.

I believe the term here is "street judge".

The guy was obviously the local harmless homeless drunk. Which im sure they have dealt with way more than they are admiting. Love how they say, they kept giving him citations. I'm sure he ran right out and paid all of them...:rolleyes:

Yep I agree with all of you. The guy was a bad apple and a bad apple with a knife, but that does not mean the cop should have exited the car gun already out. I know of one state trooper who went up the scale on force but had to shoot the guy in the end and did so as a last resort this guy was looking for a reason to shoot............

Silverwhaletale, I hope you are joking. Bit of gallows humor to say the least, and not really that funny to me.
Yup, "Ma'am, he had a knife and refused to drop it." Is much more clear.

Murder, no ifs ands or buts.

If that cop does not go to prison, I will never enter the State of Washington again for the rest of my life.

Hopped out, gun drawn; went from in the car to the man dead on the sidewalk in like 10 seconds. His first instinct was to lie about what happened. I am fairly certain there will be some security cameras, suppose the tape from those must have gotten "lost."

It appears Seattle has some major problems.

Well certainly one problem with this specific LEO. If the rap sheet is correct, other officers have shown restraint more than once. This shooter however needs to stand trial.

That other video compilation seems to show the officers in that precinct had a significant familiarity with the victim.

I wonder if the female officer he went off on is the same one that you see in the first part of the video. Young, attractive.

I also wonder what the relationship (actual or desired) between her and the shooter is?

Might splain a lot.

Yup.

The type of "leader" which floats to the surface in Seattle, usually does so via political correctness and/or superior liberal righteousness, rather than having any skill at leadership and/or organization. Seattle's mayors generally have a glib attitude about the well being of the city. They seem really like the idea of their title and power for themselves.

Seattle is just another big city full of self-serving politicians. -sad, really. :-/

I do feel for the good cops in Seattle, who have to navigate this cluster...

Won't someone please think of the wood?

Wow, a murderer walking around with legal gun, getting pay for his living from people, and can shoot anyone he wants.

Is there an echo in here? :)

Yeah--real hardened criminal there---open containers and jay-walking in his past.

cop is worng and should be jailed--unfortunately, probably won't be--possibly "suspended" FOP will come out in support of him.

pathetic

That's why I hate it when I make the last post on a page and it the thread rolls into a new page.

But my post was better, I had pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.SmileWavy

Better standards in firing needed as well. Way too many cops out there who shouldn't be cops, who lateral from PD to PD because they are allowed to resign quietly as opposed to being fired for their offenses.

To paraphrase HHGTTG, "Anyone who wants to be a cop should be automatically disqualified."

It's the precinct on Virginia and 800 block that's doing most of the shenanagins, not the entire Seattle PD. That one precinct is a bad apple