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Eric 951 01-25-2011 06:40 AM

(3) mistakes
1. didn't inform you prior that he was carrying into YOUR home.
2. Removed weapon from his person
3. When your wife apepred with the weapon, he put it back on a table.

Sounds like he gets off on the attention of carrying--which is bad form. The whole point of CCW is that people don't know you are carrying.
idiotic

masraum 01-25-2011 06:52 AM

Concealed is concealed. I don't even advertise to my wife when I'm carrying. No one should know.

Putting your loaded gun where you are not in control of it, and others can access it is criminally negligent, IMO.

Rot 911 01-25-2011 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5806625)
Concealed is concealed. I don't even advertise to my wife when I'm carrying. No one should know.

Absolutely!

AZAirCooled 01-25-2011 07:11 AM

Gun Safety
 
I just realized that many of you reading this thread may never have own guns or been around those who do.

Gun safey is extremely important to every gun owner I have ever known since I was a small boy. Forget about cop no cop. Here just a few common gun safety pratices:

1. You unload a weapon before you hand it to someone you[I] know[/I] to look at it.
2. You don't leave loaded weapons just laying around your house in the open when someone is coming over.
3. You lock it in the car glove box before you enter certain buildings.
4. Many people unload a weapon before entering a building and/or put it in a case.
5. Put away your guns as soon as you're done with them.
6. Many owners use gun safes or trigger locks.
7. Many owners store their guns in one place and the ammo in another.
8. You would NEVER take out your loaded hand gun in a house full of people, set it down, and leave the room!
9. You take responsability for your gun when it is around others!

I'm certainly no expert, I don't carry (yet) and haven't been to a carrying class(yet), so you other responsible gun owners please add to the list if you can. This officer is as much a poster child for gun control as the drug user/dealer that leaves the loaded gun on the coffee table for the kids to find. I've personally never seen someone just leave a loaded hand gun lying around in my 52 years around them.

I'd hate for anyone reading this thread that is not familiar with gun ownership and owners to think this cop represents any more than the smallest percentage of gun owners. He is in that small percentage that includes drug dealers, bank robbers, terrorists, and crazy people. And remember, gun control laws have no impact on criminals or the insane because by definition, they don't obey laws.

This cop should be repremanded/punished. This incident should be reported. He might be starting to "lose it" and he certainly should not be teaching gun safety classes.

AZAirCooled 01-25-2011 07:17 AM

Quote:

Putting your loaded gun where you are not in control of it, and others can access it is criminally negligent, IMO.
That sounds right, IMHO.

vash 01-25-2011 07:49 AM

LEO made the first mistake. your wife made the second..then the LEO made the third.

porn would have been safer.

tabs 01-25-2011 07:59 AM

PBBBT...In the Cops case familarity with firearms bred contempt...he is so used to living with spoons that he just omitted thinking about it.

It is that plain and that simple....

Brando 01-25-2011 08:14 AM

No exceptions to the rules when it comes to handling of firearms... The organization I teach with we've had ZERO (read that: 0) issues of injury. Safety always comes first with firearms.

In that light: The LEO should know not to leave a firearm where it can be easily handled; ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS A KID IN THE HOUSE.

Now keep in mind you have a 7 year old kid. It is your discretion but teaching them at a young age the responsibility and caution in regards to firearms would be a good idea. Just make sure they understand that the firearm cannot do anything of it's own accord -- it will only do what you make it do.

tabs 01-25-2011 08:23 AM

So lets prosecute, try and convict the LEO for being a mindless cretin when it comes to his firearm and its safety. Or have U Boyz gotten so accustomed to the 24/7 news cycle that you have to beat every issue to death twice. Or is it that U Boyz are so bored with your lives that like the family dog you bark at anything for something to do.

stomachmonkey 01-25-2011 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5806769)
PBBBT...In the Cops case familarity with firearms bred contempt...he is so used to living with spoons that he just omitted thinking about it.

It is that plain and that simple....

Not an excuse.

I regularly have Federal LEO's at my house.

I am aware that they carry pretty much 100% of the time.

I don't have an issue with them carrying in my house and my kids are regularly at their houses.

I know they take carrying/gun safety seriously.

I'm sure if the OP's incident were to happen in their houses there would have been some harsh words exchanged as they tossed the officer out on his ass.

vash 01-25-2011 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5806822)
So lets prosecute, try and convict the LEO for being a mindless cretin when it comes to his firearm and its safety. Or have U Boyz gotten so accustomed to the 24/7 news cycle that you have to beat every issue to death twice. Or is it that U Boyz are so bored with your lives that like the family dog you bark at anything for something to do.

no one is trying to burn the cop at the stake. i would have said something to him ASAP. familarity is what gets people killed. if the firearms wasnt equiped with a safety, and the nice lady pulled the trigger accidentally..the horrors.

with gun ownership, there are crystal clear responsibilties. not only do you have to assume the pistol is loaded, you have to behave and accept that others around you DO NOT have the experience to know what to do, should they come up to your loaded piece.

the cop was a fool

tabs 01-25-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5806856)
Not an excuse.

I regularly have Federal LEO's at my house.

I am aware that they carry pretty much 100% of the time.

I don't have an issue with them carrying in my house and my kids are regularly at their houses.

I know they take carrying/gun safety seriously.

I'm sure if the OP's incident were to happen in their houses there would have been some harsh words exchanged as they tossed the officer out on his ass.

No one ever said my rational was an excuse, it is merely a rational for why it happened..

tabs 01-25-2011 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 5806883)
no one is trying to burn the cop at the stake. i would have said something to him ASAP. familarity is what gets people killed. if the firearms wasnt equiped with a safety, and the nice lady pulled the trigger accidentally..the horrors.

with gun ownership, there are crystal clear responsibilties. not only do you have to assume the pistol is loaded, you have to behave and accept that others around you DO NOT have the experience to know what to do, should they come up to your loaded piece.

the cop was a fool

WOOF WOOF I hear more barking....

stomachmonkey 01-25-2011 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5806901)
No one ever said my rational was an excuse, it is merely a rational for why it happened..

Definition of RATIONALIZE

transitive verb
1
: to bring into accord with reason or cause something to seem reasonable: as

: to attribute (one's actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives <rationalized his dislike of his brother> ; broadly : to create an excuse or more attractive explanation for <rationalize the problem>

vash 01-25-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5806907)
WOOF WOOF I hear more barking....

just because you dont shoot any of your guns :) and the OP was discussing etiquette, not the stupid topic of "familiarity" or "why"..you keep bringing up.

Head416 01-25-2011 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 5806883)
you have to behave and accept that others around you DO NOT have the experience to know what to do, should they come up to your loaded piece.

the cop was a fool

This.

How can you leave a loaded weapon laying around with no knowledge of the competency of people who may come across it? Or without knowing if there are children in the house?

I picture somebody seeing it, thinking it's cool, removing the magazine and "dry" firing. Oops.

I never let anybody handle my guns until I've verified that they understand how they work. If you don't do that and somebody dies it's your fault.


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