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Eric Coffey 02-28-2011 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5874344)
What auction house are we refering to? I have probably done biz wid dem...

Sotheby's.

Here are the three pieces that just sold this month:

Sotheby's - Auctions - Calendar - Looking Closely: A Private Collection
Sotheby's - Auctions - Calendar - Looking Closely: A Private Collection
Sotheby's - Auctions - Calendar - Impressionist & Modern Art Evening Sale


I slum it on the RE side:
Luxury Real Estate & Homes for Sale | Official Sotheby's International Realty® Site

DARISC 02-28-2011 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5874344)
What auction house are we refering to? I have probably done biz wid dem...

Not knowing that a "litho" is a print, I bet they just love ya! :D

Embraer 02-28-2011 07:35 PM

not necessarily. there's a difference between a hand lithograph ,and an offset lithograph.

Eric Coffey 02-28-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 5874574)
That's art? Well, f&@# me!

Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder! No really. Alcohol is probably responsible for more auction-buyer's remorse than you could imagine. Of course, it's kinda hard to go wrong @ $12.00. :D

LeeH 03-01-2011 07:40 AM

More info...

No... it's not the melanoma on my back. A close up of the black section in the hull of the largest sailboat.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1298997457.jpg

Finally got up the nerve to take it out of the frame. On the reverse:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1298997582.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1298997599.jpg

DARISC 03-01-2011 10:48 AM

Hard to tell from the photo:

Is the artwork behind glass?

Is the artwork mounted behind a mat (with a window cut out through which the artwork is viewed)?

If not, is the artwork flat against the glass? High quality artwork is never mounted that way because condensation will eventually damage the artwork.

The last pictures apear to be the artwork still attached to its frame with glazing points and the backing paper torn away. It looks like the side of the artwork is bent up to fit into the frame. Not very professional; usually the artwork is taped to the back of its mat at the top and only extends a minimal ammount past the window. If there's no mat and the artwork is valuable, the framer would have put spacers around the edge of the glass to prevent contact.

If the artwork is a signed and numbered, hand pulled lithograph, see Eric Coffey's post as to value range.

If it's an offset litho, it's a cheap poster (which I suspect, given the quick and dirty framing job).

I hope I'm wrong, though. SmileWavy

Racerbvd 03-01-2011 05:39 PM

Finger crossed that you have a treasure...

Reg 03-01-2011 06:09 PM

Good luck Lee! This will be fun to follow.;):cool:

daepp 03-01-2011 08:28 PM

Seems to me that even great art can be mismounted.

McLovin 03-01-2011 08:33 PM

Charlie Sheen/Denise Richard come to mind.

rusnak 03-01-2011 08:39 PM

I was gonna say Berlusconi

Eric Coffey 03-02-2011 03:35 PM

Any updates? After looking at the pics, the signature "in the plate" is not a great sign. Probably the easiast way to rule out a print (and confirm a reproduction) is to look at it under magnification. If you can see any kind of benday pattern (dots), then it's a fugazi.

island911 03-02-2011 03:42 PM

Ben Day ... Benday Dot Technique Explained » ATom1746 Blog ...who knew?

LeeH 03-03-2011 11:28 AM

No dots. Just what appears to be ink layered on top of other ink. If you look at the section of black in the photo (which is magnified 200x) you can see the second layer of black along the top. Not sure what that means.

I've tried to find examples of what various types of art (lithograph, serigraph, etc) should look like under strong magnification, but have struck out.

Zentrum Paul Klee in Switzerland will give me their opinion for 150 Swiss Francs, plus 1000 Francs if it's real.

carslutt 03-03-2011 11:47 AM

neat find....... maybe............. ........

sammyg2 03-03-2011 01:19 PM

Need to find one of them antiques roadshow things ;)

cgarr 03-03-2011 01:22 PM

Send the info to Pawn Stars and have them review it, you may be on TV!

Eric Coffey 03-03-2011 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeH (Post 5879989)
Zentrum Paul Klee in Switzerland will give me their opinion for 150 Swiss Francs, plus 1000 Francs if it's real.

I just got an email back from our in-house valuation department (appraisers) specializing in this period.

Here is the response:

"The method used to print this work is silkscreen, which does not have the mechanical dots of more contemporary methods of reproduction. My sense is that there was a number of silkscreen reproductions made of Klee’s work in the 1960s and/or 1970s. I doubt it was much earlier than that as you really don’t see silkscreen much before the 60s, although it was certainly around.

In any case, I am afraid this is a reproduction that does not have any value.

Sincerely,

Blake Koh"

LeeH 03-03-2011 10:03 PM

Wow Eric! I really appreciate you running this by an expert. Please tell him I said, "Thank you." You saved me a lot of time and trouble as I was about to cart this thing all over town having it checked out.

Let me know when you're free for lunch... I definitely owe you one. SmileWavy

jeffgrant 03-03-2011 10:09 PM

Should have taken the 993.


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