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LeeH 03-10-2011 02:10 PM

Why was this 993 given a salvage title? Any Portlanders know this car?
 
Just doesn't look like it needs more than a front bumper cover.

1996 Porsche 911 Carrer Salvage Title Car for sale in Portland, OR at Copart Auto Auction Lot 12829141

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1299798566.jpg

Rikao4 03-10-2011 02:18 PM

theft recov. ?

Rika

porsche4life 03-10-2011 02:20 PM

Might have something to do with the bits hanging out of the left front wheel well....

HardDrive 03-10-2011 03:04 PM

There could be some wicked under carriage damage thats not visible. Imagine him goofing around in a parking lot, and going over a couple parking blocks going like 40mph.

A930Rocket 03-10-2011 03:38 PM

The site said front end and undercarriage....

Paul K 03-10-2011 03:41 PM

I'm thinking 'off road excursion'.

You might want to ask in the PNW section. Someone might be able to go take a look at it for you.

RWebb 03-10-2011 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 5894083)
There could be some wicked under carriage damage that's not visible. Imagine him goofing around in a parking lot, and going over a couple parking blocks going like 40mph.

or tree stumps...

Rick Lee 03-10-2011 04:33 PM

That's not gonna be a good deal if it goes much above current bid.

Zeke 03-10-2011 04:39 PM

The hood looks good, I wonder how the driver's door gap is. Underneath can be fixed, but some shops go ape about suspension pick up points. I guess that's how they make money and the owner was buying into that.

The insurance company's response? OK dude, it's totaled.

It's all in how the game is played. The owner could have found a cheaper repair and saved himself the aggravation, IMHO.

I drive a salvaged truck because I wasn't going the let the bastards take away a perfectly good truck for what amounted to about 4K in damage.

Laneco 03-10-2011 05:06 PM

Most shops will not fix things any more. So if there is a dent in the floor pan, and a dent in the rocker panel, they want to put half a floor pan and a whole rocker panel on it. It's quite unfortunate, because nice cars get written off for really chicken$hit damage.

angela

Skytrooper 03-10-2011 05:13 PM

Considering the obvious tow ring...I'd say an "off track" incident is the reason. Probably the front air dam and undercarrige damage in excess of "x" dollars would put it into a "totalled" catagory

kaisen 03-10-2011 05:17 PM

It's not worth $15K

Racerbvd 03-10-2011 08:01 PM

Being a C4 can mean more than sheet metal on the bottom of that beast, sad..:(

LeeH 03-10-2011 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 5894597)
Being a C4 can mean more than sheet metal on the bottom of that beast, sad..:(

Good catch... I wonder if the front drive train is buggered up.

RWebb 03-10-2011 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaisen (Post 5894341)
It's not worth $15K

why not?

porsche4life 03-10-2011 09:24 PM

B/c its munched...

RWebb 03-10-2011 09:41 PM

not all of it

Rick Lee 03-10-2011 09:56 PM

It's a 95k mile engine in a car that's been sitting in the rain with a salvage title. In perfect condition with clean title it's a $30-35k car at best. It has unknown damage, which, best case scenario, will cost a few G's to make right. Deduct whatever percentage salvage titles cost on Porsches and you're right about break even at $15k if there's no issue with the AWD. Parts for these cars are not cheap, as they are not interchangeable with any other models and were only imported for one or two yrs. in the US (C4 non-S only). I could part that car out for $20k if I had the time and space to do it. It'd be a killer parts car. But C4 non-S's are not the most desirable of the 993 generation.

Eric Coffey 03-10-2011 10:19 PM

If the engine/trans is intact and OK, this one might be worth watching:
2001 Porsche 911 Wrecked Title for sale in Denver, CO at Copart Auto Auction Lot 25536970

This Cayman doesn't look too bad either:
2007 Porsche Cayman Salvage Title Car for sale in Houston, TX at Copart Auto Auction Lot 21468380

Steve Carlton 03-11-2011 03:46 AM

Who's the Panzer Commander?

Rick Lee 03-11-2011 05:49 AM

If you had the time and storage space and wanted to use that 993 drivetrain in an older 911, you could do that pretty cost effectively at $15k and change. Keep the drivetrain and part out the rest and you'd probably come out very well. 993 trannies are getting stupid expensive because the kit car crowd has decided they are great for their own projects too.

JAR0023 03-11-2011 06:25 AM

Add says the car is driveable. Ins. company could have just shotgunned a large estimate if the appraiser was afraid of the repair. Lots of things could be going on here. Could be stolen and recovered. Every state has specific rules as to when a car has to take a salvage title. Here is some info for Oregon. I've never worked in that area of the country so I don't know how the statutes are interpreted. My Co-Part password has expired. When it gets reset I'll see if there is more info there.

OREGON
Citation OR ST s 801.527
Definition "Totaled vehicle" or "totaled" means:
(1) A vehicle that is declared a total loss by an insurer that is obligated to cover the loss
or that the insurer takes possession of or title to.
(2) A vehicle that is stolen, if it is not recovered within 30 days of the date that it is stolen
and if the loss is not covered by an insurer.
(3) A vehicle that has sustained damage that is not covered by an insurer and that is such
that the estimated cost to repair the vehicle is equal to at least 80 percent of the retail
market value of the vehicle prior to the damage. For purposes of this subsection, "retail
market value" shall be as reflected in publications relied upon by financial institutions
doing business in this state.

foxpaws 03-11-2011 06:54 AM

They could have driven over debris on the highway - I had an old Saab turbo and a chaise - the type that sit around pools - fell off a truck in front of me, and I had to go right over it - I had cars on either side of me.

The damage looked similar to this car - some lower bumper damage in the front - scratched up bumper cover - some of the shields ripped off - but underneath the car it was a mess - from front to back. Needless to say it too was totaled.

JAR0023 03-11-2011 07:19 AM

I just checked Co-Parts' site and I can not access this car.

I could see this one going either way. You'll need eyes/hands on the car to tell. It's the only way to know for sure.

J

RWebb 03-11-2011 12:14 PM

if it drives it could be worth $25 or more, highlight 'could be'

Racerbvd 03-11-2011 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 5895903)
if it drives it could be worth $25 or more, highlight 'could be'

There have been a few 993s sold in the $18-$20K range..


Quote:

Add says the car is driveable.
Again, that could mean anything, the front axels could be removed so it drives in the lot. I have bought wrecks at pig auctions before an hhat term leavess things wide open..

Rick Lee 03-11-2011 03:48 PM

C4's can command a little more than C2's. They're not my cup of tea, but they are a little more.

Zeke 03-11-2011 05:28 PM

Where do you get "track car?" No roll bar and no multi-point belts. It's got seats and a big wing.

So do 100's of ricer rides.

Racerbvd 03-11-2011 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milt (Post 5896422)
Where do you get "track car?" No roll bar and no multi-point belts. It's got seats and a big wing.

So do 100's of ricer rides.

My bad, I confused it with another car I was asked to check out:o, hence the tire comment. :o

kaisen 03-11-2011 06:01 PM

Window net? Hoosiers?

onewhippedpuppy 03-12-2011 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 5895903)
if it drives it could be worth $25 or more, highlight 'could be'

With a clean title it's probably a $30k car. With a salvage title it's worth about half that, even after you sink in the money to fix it.

speeder 03-12-2011 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skytrooper (Post 5894337)
Considering the obvious tow ring...I'd say an "off track" incident is the reason. Probably the front air dam and undercarrige damage in excess of "x" dollars would put it into a "totalled" catagory

The tow hook would be used in any towing situation, ie. pulling it on to a flatbed tow truck. That means nothing. The car would need to be carefully inspected in person to know what it's worth or if it's worth buying, pretty hard to do from your keyboard. And rain doesn't hurt these cars, they're pretty tough. ;)

onewhippedpuppy 03-12-2011 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 5897351)
The tow hook would be used in any towing situation, ie. pulling it on to a flatbed tow truck. That means nothing. The car would need to be carefully inspected in person to know what it's worth or if it's worth buying, pretty hard to do from your keyboard. And rain doesn't hurt these cars, they're pretty tough. ;)

Yup, I used it on my 318ti when the fuel pump died and on my Boxster when it was stuck in the snow. That little threaded plug is there for a reason, who wants to bend an A-arm with a tow strap?


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