Everyone's praising the big kid...

What if the big kid was your son, and that pile driver left the smaller kid paralyzed, or dead? Would you be praising his restraint, even if he'd killed or maimed someone?

Whether or not a smack down was justified (it was, IMO), that could have ended tragically. I can barely even watch that video

When I was in elementary school, WWF wrestling was all the rage, and kids often wrestled on breaks. One kid got a pile-driver like that in the schoolyard, and ended up being hauled away by ambulance with a broken neck, didn't see him again till grade 7.

Seriously, I'd have been glad to see a solid punch in the gut, but WTF is with praising that kind of response?

That body slam ensures that bully's bullying career is done forever. Sucks if he was permanently injured for it, but I'd rather a bully be permanently injured than the bullied. At that age kids know right from wrong. And it's pretty obvious the bully wasn't just trying this out for the first time on the big kid. He knew he could get away with it, which means it had happened before.

True but with the ending being not the worst case scenerio you describe I think the kid got what he deserved. And maybe, just maybe he learned a valuable lesson about bullying others before he paralized or accidentally killed some other kid/victim.

Sure, the bully is an ********* who deserves to be hurt, I am on board with that 100%.

But if your young son had to live with breaking a kid's neck, how would that sit with you?

That's what I was thinking too...big kid is lucky he didn't break the little punk's neck with a pile drive like that.

As opposed to my kid being the one with the broken neck. I'm just fine with it.

I'm sure the bully learned a lesson.

But holy fk, some of you have sons (and daughters) who are bullies and you don't even know it. Sometimes good kids act badly in the wrong circumstances.

A pile-driver just strikes me as an extreme, potentially lethal response.

Why not stab him in the gut with a pencil? Would that be OK, provided the kid lived and only needed a couple stitches?

My daughter is in 2nd grade. She had a problem with a male classmate who was giving her trouble. The teacher wouldn't really do anything about it, so I showed my daughter a few things and gave her my permission to do what she needed to do to stop this kid. I told her not to worry about the teacher. I will take care of it. Last week, she got a hold of this kid and taught him a lesson. He doesn't bother her anymore.

what if the 2 girls laughing when it starts had spoken up..
what if the girl who stops the other guy had decided not too..
so if one has kids..
show them the vid..and explain the pro & cons of all involved..

Rika

Well, in a lot of states, if Adult A walks up to Adult B, insults him, punches him in the face, punches him some more, Adult B would be perfectly justified in drawing a pistol and shooting Adult A.

Now these are kids, so bringing a weapon into the situation isn't appropriate, but otherwise I'm pretty OK with it...

My son? He's huge for his age. In kindergarten Andrew was the size of his sisters class mates... and she was in 4th grade. Andrew has been taught to not start fights and if one comes to him to avoid it if at all possible. But if unavoidable, kick ass and take names later.

my first year in high school I was 5'6 and 85 lbs. all my friends got the usual freshman bullying by all the jocks. everyone of them but me.. the biggest guy in school was the brother of a friend of mine. his brother told him the reason no one picked on me was because I had "crazy eyes". they seemed to think that if they messed with me, I might burn down their house or something. during that time of my life... that might have been on my to-do list

Swift and decisive response.

Some similar thoughts crossed my mind. "the kid could have had his neck or back broken or had his head smashed in. He could have died.". Fortunately, that didn't happen. Still, even if the big kid had just punched him, he could have fallen back, hit his head and died. An outcome like that would have really sucked.

It was a body slam (body flat to the ground) not a pile driver (head first). A pile driver would have been much more dangerous.

I've never been a fighter. Fortunately, i was tall, so i didnt get screwed with as bad as some smaller kids. I was hit once in HS. It was in the nose. My eyes watered so bad that I couldn't see a thing. The other kid who was a bully specifically to me. (pe coach told my parents he wished I'd have decked the kid). He begged me to cover for him because he'd get expelled. I did and he never screwed with me again. I wish I'd have kicked his ass instead, but what's done is done.

I'm pretty happy with the outcome of the video. I think the big kids life will be changed for the better after this event. I suspect he gets more respect and has more self confidence now.

When a similar thing happened on my school bus in 7th grade, the small kid, who always picked on the big kid got b!tch slapped and shaken like a rag doll. The big kid was special ed., but I don't really understand why. He was pretty normal, just a bit of a loudmouth and he sometimes dished it out himself. I didn't like him much, but he was harmless and left me alone. But I happened to be there the day he had had enough from the little guy. I will never forget it. It was like watching Sonny in A Bronx Tale when he told that almost dead biker, "Look at me. Remember me. I'm the one who did this to you." Travis never bothered Mike again after that day.

Speaking from experience, my elementary school was in a rough area of town, my name is Byron my initials are an underwear, I was a runt with very think glasses, school integration had just started. If you think that I wasn't teased & bullied, you are on crack, but my Father, who grew up depression era Brooklyn, lied about his age & joined the Navy during W.W.II and after the war he went to work in the Ship Yards, worked his entire adult life for the National Maritime Union (lost a kidney in a bar fight too) being short and Irish, he didn't take any crap. Needless to say, he taught me early on how to defend myself, and one of the 1st things he taught me was to hurt anyone who attacked me and hurt them bad, first rule in Dock/Union Strong Arm/Bar room brawlling is to hurt the attacker so they CAN'T come back. Fortunately for me, most of the time, just standing my ground was enough to earn the respect, and have found out most of the time, that was all it took, a social test, and if you passed, didn't matter if you won or not, 9 out of 10 times (unless it was like what Dennis went though) you even became friends. And who knows, that bully might have gone on to a life of crime had the Big Boy not put him in his place, and I'm sure the bully wasn't worried about what happened to the other kid..
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What if the big kid had asthma and had an attack that killed him or a weak heart?? I stand by what my father taught me.

This is all over the net now...the one thing I have a problem with is that both these kids have to live with that.

That little nasty piece of works and his mates are probably enjoying the notoriety (even if he is nursing a broken ankle)...the bigger boy I think would be not so happy.

What happened to the days when this stuff happened without a phone being whipped out to film it? Society is sick...

FWIW I am a mother of 2 kids who have been bullied. For Tom it happened in year 5. I have never felt so damned helpless and enraged. The problem was that the group of kids doing the bullying (both verbal and physical) were all fine by themselves with Tom...but put them in a pack and the situation was very, very different. We were very fortunate that once Tom had the courage to tell us what was going on, the school backed him 110%. There was no doubt in their mind that he was telling the truth and they handled it as best they could within the constrains of policy. And FWIW Mike and I made sure that Tom knew how to defend himself...I told him to make sure when the pack took him down on the football field and then stuck the boots in to make sure he got in a few well marked kicks and blows himself...NOT to just lie there and let them pummel him anymore. These kids were BREAKING him...emotionally and physically...all I wanted to do was to handle it the 'old way'...pick these boys up by the scuffs of their necks and take them round the back of the bike shed for the lesson they deserved (yes Mums want to do that too; it's not just a bloke thing :mad:). But instead we were lucky enough to be able to put our faith in the school principal and his abilities...that changed Tom...his very demeanour changed when he knew that the school hierachy supported him. But I tell you; now he wouldn't even give anyone a second chance to have a go at him...I would be very worried for anyone who would decide to take him on...and that's fine by me.

Billy OTOH was not supported by the school hierachy as that school has a policy that the victim needs to produce witnesses and evidence to support their case...the fellon is presumed innocent and the victim has to prove otherwise :mad:. Needless to say Billy is no longer at that school...and I ensured that the Principal, Head of Campus and the school board knew why.

NO CHILD NEEDS TO BE A VICTIM. NO CHILD SHOULD EVER BE A VICTIM.

I think that the boy in this video would have been suffering from bullying for a long time...I think his response was measured and restrained. I think it shows a level of maturity that his attackers don't have (don't forget the other kids egging the little bully on - they are just as guilty). I understand that the school would have had to be seen to punish him in some way as they can't support physical violence. But I also think he would have been suspended in order to take him out of the situation for a while in the hope that whole thing would cool down some and he would not be further victimised. Sadly, because of this vid going viral that may not be the case.

We have current situation with a boy here who is well known to the police - at 14 he has already been to court for several offences and he is still out on the street. His father is struggling to control him; even with the help of the cops here. His is well known to all the kids and they are (suitably) terrified of him. He had a go at Billy last week when Billy was walking to school. Billy saw the punch coming and ducked it. That afternoon, Billy went over the road to our neighbour who is a cop and told him...cop is dealing with it and has given Billy a few strategies to work with. Problem is that the cops really can't touch him...other than go through the judicial system. So here we go again...except that if I catch this little ***** up to no good I will react. He is a tough little bugger who is at war with the world and seems to go seeking trouble...that is one screwed up little soul already...but my instinct is to protect my own...at any cost.

That kid is lucky he didn't get a broken leg or worse. When it first started I assummed that the big kid was the bully - thats how it is 9/10 times. The little guy has some moxy going after big boy.

it's better for that little punk to get beat up today than get shot later on.

pretty sure the big boy was getting it from many others..
daily..
he was still trying to get away after the in face blow..
besides tiny had back-up waiting in the wings..

Rika

The bully learned there are sometimes consequences for your actions beyond what you first envisioned. I hope he understands that for the rest of his life. I still ZERO sympathy for the little punk.

poetic justice would big boys picking on tiny for while..

Rika

100+

Judging by what is contained in the video, and that was an accurate representation of the event, I would not feel remorse for the actions. Maybe compassion for the bully's plight, but bad actors deserve their fate, no matter what it may be. Life sucks, and it sucks more if you make bad decissions. Being paralyzed because YOU bullied the wrong guy sucks for you, not for the person trying to put an end to a wrongful act.

It looked to me that the little guy was a pretty experience antogonist. The rope a dope with the left raised to distract from the right being cocked and ready makes me think this kid has some older brothers as well. It brought a special smile to my face to see him get his.

I think the filming was planned from the start. I think they planned to make a video of the big kid getting picked on to put on the 'net to humiliate him.

I don't think the little kid is enjoying the notoriety. He got his butt handed to him. That's never good.

I think the big kid is actually a little bit of a hero now. I hope that his life has gotten better and easier.

It figures. The bully's mom wants an aplogy. :rolleyes:

The mother of an Australian bully who's become an Internet sensation for being body-slammed on video by one of his victims says she wants an apology.

Footage of the fight shows seventh-grader Ritchard Gale tormenting, shoving and punching 10th-grader Casey Heynes at Chifley College in St. Marys North before the much-larger Heynes body slams Gale and walks away.*

But Gale's mother, Tina, says she and her family are the victims, now that the video has gone viral, and she says Heynes owes her family an apology.

"We don't need this posted everywhere," she told Australia's Seven Network on Wednesday. "I would like him to apologize."

Tina said she while was "shocked" at Ritchard's behavior, she didn't think he deserved to be slammed to the ground. Neither boy suffered serious injuries in the fight.

The video, which became an Internet sensation shortly after being posted, caused a surge of approval for Heynes, with many calling him a "hero" and nicknaming him "the Punisher" while dubbing Ritchard "The Rat." A Facebook page for "Casey Heynes - Public Figure" also has generated nearly 98,000 "likes."

The school however did not pick sides in the fight and instead suspended both boys for four days.

Trial attorney Lee Armstrong said that was a mistake and unfair to Heynes.

"We understand that in the past he gets bullied every day... If this was like a Wii video game and we could control his limbs, that's exactly what one of us would have done," Armstrong told Fox News. "The fact that this smaller kid can't appreciate the difference in size between himself and a larger kid is his problem. This kid should not have been suspended."

But defense attorney and former prosecutor Mark Eiglarsh said not suspending Heynes would have set a dangerous precedent.

"This isn't just an isolated incident. This now becomes law in the school. Every other kid now is free if they're bullied not to do as they're told to turn the other cheek and go to their teachers but to lift up another kid, the bully, and slamming them to ground, risking paralysis or death," Eiglarsh told Fox News.

The school said it will decide whether to subject the boys to further punishment after it completes an investigation.

A page right out of the Wussification of America and Blame the Victim First handbooks.

Wants an apology? What?!??! Honestly, the little bastard owes an apology to the big kid still despite getting his ass handed to him.

And, the big kid didn't film it or put it online or humiliate the little kid or the family. The little bastard brought it all on himself and still owes an apology to the big kid.

+1

If the bully were paralyzed, who gives a rats a$$ in the hubs of hell. This is how bullies and degenerates need to be treated. The big kid was restrained, he subdued the threat and sent a message that good men and women, are courageous enough to subdue evil and suffer the consequences, whatever they may be. To bad the little a$$hats parents don't get it. So in 15 to 20 years when someone has had enough of little bully boy, and his days on earth are terminated, maybe his $hit for brains mom will get the fact that her spawn is a degenerate. The next guy may just terminate the little ba$tards stay on planet earth OR his parents will kick his little evil a$$ and allow him to be a productive member of the human race. Little $hits grow up to big $hits and buy that time to many innocents are at risk of collateral damage when the little pos is brought to justice.

Bullying Video: Boy Injures Student's Ankle | Chifley College

The Bully is 12, Dick the bruiser is 16.

If he crippled him it would be Darwin in action. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Reading the article is pretty disappointing. I know England was much farther down the road of pusification than the US, but I was hoping Australia had resisted.

You do realize this is in Australia, right?

Jake, I usually agree with you on most things, but on this one I don't. Leaving all emotion out of it, and just looking at the situation logically, I can't think of how this could have turned out any better. I don't buy the argument that "this will set the bully straight for life" - we all know people re-offend, even after severe punishment. But it does mean that the bigger kid will likely never get picked on again, and that's critical. If he had just punched back, it might have turned into a pushing-pulling-kicking-punching type of fight, with no clear winner. In this case, the big kid said no, not any more.

I think the mom of the bully should be body slammed too! Go to her house, knock on the door, body slam her........Too funny!

Screw the little twirp. He got what was coming to him.

If it wasn't on video, the big kid woulda probably be in jail.

Getting suspended....how freaking PC.

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Chair! This could be one of you two.

potd!

Welcome to the dumbest of Australia's school rules. My lads(14 &16), this time last year were 'approached' by 8 18-20yr olds on school grounds at lunch after my oldest son's girlfriend got into a verbal stouch with another girl. So to get back at my son's girlfriend she got her brothers and his friends to come to school. Well both my boy's against 8 others. My youngest is a kick boxer and my oldest has been lifting weights for some time and they both stay very fit for kart racing. One of the 'intruders' was hospitalized for a busted eye socket and 15 stitches and the others ran off bleeding and injured. My boy's suffered several hits and bruised faces etc.
The school called the police and both my lads were arrested for 'affray'. We are still going through the legal bs right now. The other mob still want to bash my kids, so they keep telling them on facebook so i have said to them if they are approached again, make it really count this time. If you are going to be arrested for defending yourself, you might as well make it worth it.
Australian laws regarding self defense etc are bullsh$t.

I like this one too, he smacked down the wrong kid but that doesn't make it less funny!

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threats on record..
that should be easy to deal..
then again the school /police not doing anything about non-students on campus says much..
believe your lads are old enough for an internet beer..
so a toast..

Rika

Weird, what's up with the quick draw shirt removal?

I guess I just don't have enough fighting experience to understand.

I'd like to see the kid that actually started it get his whoopin' now.