I don't own a spoon like this but...

I would have thought when getting into a car you would remove your spoon from the holster and store it in a dash or center console holster of some kind.
So you can get to it a lot quicker and it's more comfortable.

I can also see why you'd keep it holstered as well.

What's better?

Best is leaving it holstered. As long as the trigger is covered, you're always good. I remove my holster from my pants or jacket pocket all the time, but very rarely remove the gun from the holster. The only time that trigger is at risk of being pressed is when it's not covered by a holster. I often drive rental cars with a SIG in the cup holder. But it's ALWAYS in a holster.

No worries. Just recalling what I've heard. The first time I heard anything (bad) about them was years ago in my CCW class. The opinions/accounts of some of the instructors (plural) that don't allow them in their courses surely carries a little weight. The number of AD's (and GSW's) on record while using that holster is a little unsettling as well (and seems like more than just a freak, one-in-a-million failure). YMMV.

If you want a great retention holster, I'd look at the Safariland ALS line:
Safariland Automatic Locking Systems
Their retention system locks the ejection port, and is thumb-operated. A much better design IMO, and certainly better levels of retention available.

Yes, that Safariland is the one I saw at Bear Arms a few weeks ago. I'll consider it.

I've got quite a few leather and nylon holsters and I've never seen the kind of wear/defect that the OP shows pics of. All of my holsters cover the trigger completely, which is a "must have" for me since I carry with one in the chamber and no safety or safety off. I frequently check my holsters for wear or worn spots, but they are very durable. I carry IWB, so the holster and gun are fairly well protected by the belt and clothing.

Better check state law on this one. In this endless, childish game of "gotcha" between authorities and citizens, how you carry a gun in your car may very well be more important than that you carry a gun in your car. Many CCW states specify on your person, and will gleefully pop you if it's in the glove box, under the seat, or wherever. Many police officers have no idea what their state laws are regarding this. They tend to get a bit jumpy sometimes around citizens with guns (many think they are the only ones who should have them) and will even make things up as they go, in the absence of any real understanding of the law.

Washington is an "open carry" state, in addition to a CCW state. One would think that under those liberal carry laws, one could have a gun in a car on the seat next to him, or in the glove box, or anywhere he damn well pleases in that car. That may well be the case, but apparently not every cop will know this. Or agree with this...

I was stopped in my 911 once when coming home from shooting up in the woods in a gravel pit. With very deeply bolstered seats and six point harnesses, there is obviously no way I can keep a gun on my person in that car. So, my holstered Peacemaker was on the passenger seat, covered by my hat. Since I wasn't going to unbuckle and try to hide it before the deputy could approach my car, I found myself sitting there, harnessed in, gun on seat, when he approached.

So, I told him I had it and asked what he wanted me to do. I wound up just handing it out the window to him, and he put it on his dash when he returned to his car. When he brought it back (still holstered and loaded, by the way), he asked if I had a CCW (I do). I told him I didn't think it mattered, since I wasn't hiding it, and we are an open carry state. He told me if it's not on my person (and hidden) when I'm in a car, it would be a violation if I didn't have a CCW.

So, according to him, I could walk through any mall in the state with the thing hanging on my hip in plain view, with no CCW at all, but I can't drive down the road with it on my seat unless I have a CCW. He was, of course, wrong, but that little fact would not have kept him from ruining my day and costing me a good deal of time and money to straighten out.

Fortunately for me, I had that CCW. I clearly was in no position to straighten this guy out on the side of the road. Cops are, after all, never wrong...:rolleyes: Fortunately, too, he was at least mildly interested in guns, and we wound up talking more about why on earth anyone would carry a Peacemaker in this day and age than about my alleged "violation" that he had stopped me for in the first place.

I love my Glock and trust it more than any other handgun I own. Accidental discharges have been known to happen with all sorts of weapons... with a Glock, they only happen if the trigger is pulled. ;)

I just heard about a contractor at work that gave his 20 something daughter a revolver of some sort for personal protection. After coming home to her front door being wide open, she grabbed her gun and walked through the house to check for an intruder..... finding no signs of an intruder, she somehow managed to fire the gun when she attempted to lower the hammer. The round ended up penetrating her neighbor's wall. Luckily no one was hurt. If it had been a Glock, this would not have happened unless she had pulled the trigger.

I don't give a shiiit how many stories of Glock leg (or butt) are posted, I am perfectly comfortable carrying my Glock in my Comp-Tac kydex holster.

I agree with this post 100%

Someone i know in the firearms safety industry told me that the glock ND rate is 3.6x higher than any other autopistol on the market today. (A number that Glock keeps held very close to it's vest)

Glocks are the dumbest idea for a dumbed down society i have ever seen.

Tim's post above is exactly the sort of nonsense that Glock users will put out there to justify their unsafe action weapons, it is total crap. Any modern top end pistol is at least as reliable and accurate as a glock, and they are just about all vastly more safe. With my HK P7 the sort of AD in this story is totally and completely impossible.

Clearly.

Another philly cop shot himself with his glock recently, and rather than admit it, he made up a story about a struggle with a "black male" who shot him with his own weapon. Of course, he got caught, and fired, and is now probably viewed by all of his friends as a total moron.

Which of course, he is.

Before the Glock was designed, the all time champ for AD's was the 1911.

The Glock was designed, not for idiots, but for combat. As a combat pistol it has no equal.

All firearms require safe handling techniques. There are no exceptions to this requirement.

The more safeties that need to be manipulated by an operator the more possiblities for error exists. More user manipulated safeties do not equal increased safety.

Lots of people have shot themselves in the leg or foot with a single action.

Sniper, always good to have you back. But I'd want to see if that number takes into account the fact that there are probably more Glocks being carried daily than any other brand or platform, perhaps even combined. I had a co-worker once who was written up because all her borrowers that got denied loans were black. But then 100% of her applicants were black too. You're always going to hear more stories about Glocks because the damn things grow on trees. I heard the same complaint about P7's many years ago and didn't believe it then. Again, I was a very reluctant Glock owner, but they won me over. I'm safety nut with a lot of gun experience, so these complaints about Glocks don't concern me in the least. I wouldn't let my wife carry one. But I do so with a clear conscience.

And probably for opposite reason as with Glocks, no? Too complex vs. too simple.

Which would explain why NO US Elite force uses the Glock.

Glocks are mediocre at best- mediocre accuracy, mediocre trigger pull, mediocre ergonomics, and they are by far the easiest pistol on the market today to have an ND with.

My HK P7 is IMO better than a Glock in every single way. Fully loaded an all steel P7 is even actually 3 oz lighter than a fully loaded Glock 19. More accurate, more reliable, with a much, much better trigger, and eons safer for the user.

I would take any German built Sig, and a wide variety of other pistols over any glock, any day.

Tim, you unwittingly made my case. You see, she did pull the trigger. She was simply not properly trained in how to do so safely when attempting to lower the hammer. Nor was she properly trained as far as where to point it as she pulled the trigger to lower the hammer. Nor was she properly trained with regards as to when to actually cock the gun. I assume it was a double action revolver, so there was no excuse to prowl the house with it cocked. Hell, even with my prefered single action, there is no excuse to walk around looking for the intruder with it cocked.

So, yes, a Glock would probably have masked all of these very basic gun handling errors. They are very much, as sniper says above, the dumbest idea for a dumbed down society I have ever seen. A dumbed-down gun is no replacement for proper training and gun handling, as the example in the original post, and sniper's example of the Philly cop so aptly demonstrate.

Glocks are probably fine for experienced shooters like yourself. When all safe gun handling rules are followed religiously, any gun is probably fine. Glocks, however, have been aggressively marketed as somehow inherently "safer" than other designs, leading many neophytes to drop their guard around them. There is a reason they are the industry leaders in accidental discharges, and those are not coming from experienced shooters.

Good for you..... I hope more folks like you can sway others who take part in defensive pistol competitions away from Glocks also...... Any edge over the competition is welcome. ;)

Good Morning, Sniper!

Nice to see you posting in a gun thread. We seem to share some interests in firearms, automobiles, and cameras.

You can talk about competition all you want, but the actual men who go out and confront the enemy in defense of this nation at close handgun ranges are not issued Glocks.

They use HK45's and USPs and 1911s.

Out in the real world where, as Col Hal Moore would say, "The metal meets the meat," you'll find HK's, Sigs, Berettas, and 1911s amigo.

When the US Navy SEALs just selected their new handgun the Glock was not even on the radar screen. You know what they picked? Yep....

HK USP45 Compact Tactical Pistol Replacing SIG-Sauer P226 for U.S. Navy SEAL’s?

by David Crane
david@defensereview.com

October 25, 2004

It’s possible that the Heckler & Koch (HK) USP45 Compact Tactical .45ACP pistol will soon be replacing the SIG P226 9mm pistol as the standard issue pistol/sidearm for the U.S. Navy SEAL’s. This information is unconfirmed, as yet. (this is an older article, the USNS did in fact select the HK45C)

The HK USP45 Compact Tactical pistol is apparently a Commercial Off-the-Shelf (COTS) USP45 Compact pistol with minor modifications. The HK USP45 Compact Tactical pistol incorporates an extended threaded barrel (for a silencer/suppressor) and Heinie-like heightend fixed sights. Magazine capacity is 8 rounds, barrel length is 4.46", and empty weight is 1.72 lbs.

I do not see how Tim has made your case. The only similarity between the two examples is improper gun handling.

Improper gun handling is the crux.

Glocks have never been promoted as "dumbed down" to reduce training. Have you ever had Glock training?

Glocks became the most popular police weapon for reasons of cost. They aggressively solicited police departments offering training, purchase of existing weapons or credit towards a Glock, and free support. They rewrote the police marketing playbook. Not because they were touted as requiring less safety training.

Glocks have not been selected as an official US Military weapon. The same can be said of many fine weapons, this is nothing new or unusual. Hell, look at some of the lame crap the US Military did adopt over what they could have had. The M14 and M16 are just two examples of crap supplied to our soldiers.

Your opinions on Glocks, 928's, Toyotas, cops and skanky women have zero credibility with me.... just sayin. :p:)

USSOCOM - H&K Mk23 Mod 0: .45 ACP
US Navy SEALs - SIG Sauer P226 (Mk24): 9x19mm (now HK45C), previously HK Mk23
USMC Force Recon - MEU(SOC) 1911: .45 ACP
Everyone else in the armed forces uses the: Beretta M9, M9A1 (USMC), M11 (P228), SIG P229R DAK .40 (USCG).

Don't shoot yourself with your glock tough guy...you're 3.6x more likely to do it than with any other modern sidearm.

Put that in your skanky toyota and smoke it. :)

Here is the opinion of the US Military, perhaps that'll carry some weight with you:

USSOCOM - H&K Mk23 Mod 0: .45 ACP
US Navy SEALs - SIG Sauer P226 (Mk24): 9x19mm (now HK45C), previously HK Mk23
USMC Force Recon - MEU(SOC) 1911: .45 ACP
Everyone else in the armed forces uses the: Beretta M9, M9A1 (USMC), M11 (P228), SIG P229R DAK .40 (USCG).

I guess no one told them how great Glocks are...