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widgeon13 03-24-2011 11:27 AM

Reagan approach, American heavy on final?
 
Hello, WTF, How could someone get locked out of the tower, have you been locked out of your office? Is there only one person in the tower at that hour of the morning. And over Bam Bam's house as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/us/25airport.html?src=mv

masraum 03-24-2011 11:43 AM

Definitely shouldn't have Mexican food for dinner when you're alone in the tower, I'm thinking. Wow!

Tim Hancock 03-24-2011 12:47 PM

I am sure there will be hell to pay for the ATC guy, but landing at an uncontrolled airport is no big deal.... probably 99% of all my thousands of landings have been without a control tower.

widgeon13 03-24-2011 01:00 PM

Very true, you and I know that but the public doesn't get the same understanding of the situation.

Just heard LaHood is now assigning a second controller for the graveyard shift. Don't think there are many scheduled flights into Reagan after midnight, so now there will be two azzhats sleeping.

Hugh R 03-24-2011 01:09 PM

Common sense dictates at least two. What if the guy has to really go to the can?

nostatic 03-24-2011 01:11 PM

you put on "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida", then hit the head.

oh wait, that's for radio DJ, not ATC.

looneybin 03-24-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 5922048)
you put on "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida", then hit the head.

oh wait, that's for radio DJ, not ATC.

i thought "Freebird" was the I-gotta-go song

Dantilla 03-24-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by looneybin (Post 5922347)
i thought "Freebird" was the I-gotta-go song

First thing I think of when Peter Frampton's "Do you feel like I do" comes on is that the DJ is down the hall for a few minutes.

Joe Bob 03-24-2011 06:08 PM

They suspended the super on duty.....yeah right. The bean counter that cut the second duty guy is the one who should be kicked in the ass.

VaSteve 03-24-2011 06:32 PM

Quote:

They suspended the super on duty.....yeah right. The bean counter that cut the second duty guy is the one who should be kicked in the ass.

People in PARF gotta think about what gets cut when they scream that thegovernment needs xx percent across the board cuts. All sorts of things get cut.

wdfifteen 03-25-2011 06:29 AM

"Fortunately, at no point was either plane out of radar contact, and our back-up system kicked in to ensure the safe landing of both airplanes.”?

What is the "back-up system?"

Rikao4 03-25-2011 06:35 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1301063690.jpg

Tim Hancock 03-25-2011 06:59 AM

This is really not a big deal IMO. As pilot I am required to make contact with ATC prior to entering controlled airspace. If I cannot make contact (happens sometimes when small aircraft call into busy control towers at large airports), I simply cannot enter that particular airspace. These pilots were cleared into the airspace by another ATC controller and landed safely. ATC do not land the airplanes for pilots, they basically are there to maintain seperation at busy airports. Reagan is obviously not busy at night. Two airplanes approaching an airport to land that are communicating on a common frequency is not unsafe by any stretch of the imagination. and happens hundreds of times daily at uncontrolled airports and at controlled airports that are not staffed at night.

widgeon13 03-25-2011 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 5923238)
"Fortunately, at no point was either plane out of radar contact, and our back-up system kicked in to ensure the safe landing of both airplanes.”?

What is the "back-up system?"

Probably Potomac Tracon which could advise of traffic in the area.

I thought this was cute, certainly cheaper than paying for 2nd ATC.

“I am not sure the answer is to have multiple heartbeats at a time of the day when nothing is happening,” said Robert W. Mann Jr., an aviation industry expert in Port Washington, N.Y. “You might have well have a dog in the tower along with the controller. The dog could bite the controller if he fell asleep.”

450knotOffice 03-25-2011 08:41 AM

I was in the crew lounge yesterday morning between flights when I saw the report on one of the news channels. My first thought was what the heck was the local tower manager thinking when he decided to staff the tower with ONE controller? Something like this is almost inevitable with only person in there - at night, with almost nothing going on.

The guys are right about "uncontrolled" landings. It's no big deal, and in fact is the most common sort of landing in aviation - by a long shot.

Joeaksa 03-25-2011 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 5922045)
Common sense dictates at least two. What if the guy has to really go to the can?

Bingo! Thought safety regulations kept any job from working alone???

cgarr 03-25-2011 11:14 AM

Anyone come in no radio using the light gun?

Joeaksa 03-25-2011 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 5923728)
Anyone come in no radio using the light gun?

Years ago yes, but have not done it in a very long time. Prolly 35 years or so since I have been handled with a light gun.

Garp 03-25-2011 02:48 PM

BBC NEWS | Europe | Silence for slain air controller
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3728541.stm

Quote:

The former controller was in charge of traffic over Lake Constance late on 1 July 2002 when the incident happened.

Most of those killed in the air crash were Russian schoolchildren
The collision, in which Mr Kaloyev lost his wife, son and daughter, involved a charter flight carrying more than 50 Russian children and a DHL cargo jet.

A preliminary report into the accident found that the controller told the pilot of the Russian plane to descend when its onboard collision warning equipment was telling it to climb.

It was also revealed that only one controller had been on duty when the collision happened. His partner had been on a break.

widgeon13 03-25-2011 03:32 PM

I had heard there are only 2 or 3 flights after midnight into DCA, why pay two people to sleep. I agree two are essential when there is activity.

As Garp demonstrated in the previous post, one was at post and one was on break. They still fuched it up!


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