Measure of a Man
 

What do you feel is the sole measurement of a man?

Had a little argument at work and I feel that successs, any type of success, is the sole measurement of a man. Now some of my coworkers, the women, feel that the sole purpose of a man is to be child bearing.

I disagree. Granted I am an extremely selfish person, because I don't want to have kids. I understand the attraction, but I just don't want my own.

What do you think? Or do you feel that successs in life is having kids?SmileWavy

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.

I agree with Emcon (and Conan).

What is success? By whose measuring stick do we go by?

What if success is the amount of free time one has to spend doing what they want? If that's the case, i am the most successful person in the history of time.

I would say that the measure of a man is whatever makes the man feel like he is a man.

Of course, it varies from man to man.

But, this is how you find it:


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It is respect.

The "measure" is how you are regarded with other men (and women). You can be successful but be a total douche and you will be looked over.

Ask them if they think Antonio Cromartie is a role model.:rolleyes:

That when I leave this place the folks who remain remember me with good thoughts and memories.

Anyone can "have" a child. Raising them to be productive & upstanding members of their community is an entirely different matter. I get and respect that folks don't want kids. For me it is the single most challenging thing I have ever done.

If you want to turn their reason on them (unless they are nuts), you could always as them if they consider a guy that has 10 kids by 6 or 7 different women and doesn't provide financial support for any of them the ultimate man because by their standards, he would have measured up into the top few percent of men.

^That's ridiculous.

I think measuring "success" would be very difficult unless you limited it to a specific sort of success (financial or business would be what normally comes to mind)

Personally, I think the measure of a man could be success, but it is not the sole measure. I'm sure there are men who have been evil to get to the top, and while they may have been wildly successful, did not measure up well as men.

I think the measure of a man doesn't necessarily need to involve anything financial. I prefer to include some virtue in with the measure of a man. A man who lives an honest life, works well at whatever he does, does right by others, generous/helpful, etc.... To me, that sort of man would be a man to measure up against.

I believe you could have high powered business men who measure up and who don't. I believe you could probably have monks (Christian, Buddhist, whatever) who do and don't measure up.

Hell, you could probably start with this... "trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly,
courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent." It may not be the best list, but it's probably a really good place to start.

Gotta love the Scout's.

I don't think success has anything, really, to do with the measure of a man.

I think it has much more to do with integrity. Honesty. Is he a man of his word?
Does he use people to get what he wants, backstabbing his way up the chain? Or does he get there by perserverence?

As an example, one of my very "fine" competitors was very successful. Sold loads of product, and made a decent product too.... IF you could get them. He ripped off hundreds of people, who paid for, and never received any product at all.

Nope.. "success" doesnt' matter.


masraum... bingo...

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I know bad idea.

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What makes a man?

Is it the woman in his arms,
just 'cause she has big titties?
Or is it the way, he fights everyday?
Noooo...it's probably the titties...

If my son and daughter are proud, truly proud to say they're my children...I'm content with that.

The ever elusive bluebird of happiness is the key. There is no "sole" measure, because different people have different goals. What complicates thing is those goals can, and often do, change.

I've got a copy of these words to live by on my desk as a reminder.

"You can always judge the character of a man by the way he treats someone who can't do anything for him."

i hope that is in centimeters. just saying.

How did you get from "measure of a man" to "success in life?" I don't see any connection. You don't need success to be a great man, it only increases the number of people who notice.