I hope all have a speedy recovery.

Bikes are inherently dangerous, The rider is exposed and the bike can be very hard to see, you are taking the risk and the rest of us pay. Of course in every bike accident the cars at fault and its time to lawyer up. I'm sure that girl had no intention of taking out two bikers for the day.

BS.

No one who causes an accident had any intention of doing do when they left the house. But that doesn't excuse their lack of attention and carelessness behind the wheel. A LOT more people die in cars than die on bikes, so these careless drivers are a danger to everyone, not just bikers.

You take the risk, you cover the risk. There are no minor accidents on a bike. Every lay down, bump, or collision could end your life, more so for the geniuses who want to ride free without a helmet.

So you know that the road is full of bad and careless drivers and a bike will loose in every encounter on the road ......you still choose to ride. Suing people will not alter these facts.

I'm not putting anyone beside myself at risk when I ride. Unlike cagers, I simply cannot text or chat on my iPhone while riding. I devote my undivided attention to the road and steering clear of the careless cagers around me. There is no need to sue anyone unless their insurance limits are inadequate to cover damage they cause. That goes for any kind of vehicle, building, business, pet dog, whatever. Motorcyclists are not into the self-inflicted slip-and-fall lawsuits, as no amount of money is worth the risk.

by your logic then no car driver would ever be at fault. you're an a s s.

Thats what you got out of that.........Most bike on car accident are the unintented results of the car not seeing the bike.....everyboby and I mean everybody has missed seeing a bike on one or more occasions, so is that a issue of inattention or a bad charaterisic inherent to Bikes. Either way its is a serious safety issues for a bike rider and yet you choose to ride. Fault can be considered direct or indirect...no one is forcing you to engage in risky activities.

Driving is inherently risky, as well.

in most instances the fault lies with the car/truck driver for not paying attention and/or being distracted. Case and point ...
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Somehow it has become 'acceptable' to be using your cell phone, texting, playing with your GPS/Stereo, Eating, putting on makeup, reading or shaving your privates while driving. So much that even when a driver is blatantly at fault, people like you say "well the motorcyclist takes the risk, so they are indirectly at fault." You're full of it.

And this little gem of 'wizdumb': "Most bike on car accident are the unintented results of the car not seeing the bike"... It's called being an attentive driver. Just because you're in 3500lbs of steel and plastic doesn't mean it's okay for you to stop looking around you. When I was hit on my bike and the cop was getting the woman's statement, the woman said "I didn't see him!". The cop asked "Did you try f*&#ing LOOKING?" ... Silence ...

Next time you're texting and driving, I hope a motorcycle cop slaps your mirror. Maybe then you'll be more attentive to your surroundings before you run him into a guard-rail and blame him for the inherent risk of being on a motorcycle.

Is this post about motorcycle safety or is this post about complaining about other drivers or is this post about two guys who got hurt via an inattentive driver.

I have become confused at this point.


So, to quell my confusion:

I hope the guys come out OK and can get back to what they love doing quickly and safely! Shoulder injuries are painful, my best wishes for a full recovery!


Inattentive drivers )(*#$@*(@#*#$, whether you are on a bike or not. I've seen many inattentive motorcyclists, I've almost been hit by several in Houston rush hour traffic when they were dodging around cars and dodging debris on shoulders at high rates of speed. I never took a care when those guys went down. I do care when the motorcycle is within their rights and riding legally and some dimwit acts stupid. I've had many *&(@#$*(&#s in a multitude of vehicles work hard to cut me off when I am towing something. Idiots do not realize I take twice as long to stop when they cut me off. I've been able to provide drivers with alibies about idiots cutting them off and then wondering why they were rearended. Idiots.


I don't ride because of inattentive drivers. It is a specific choice I have made. I have Porsches because I don't ride Harleys. Simple choice on my end, good one for me. Not a good choice for others and I am ok with that.

"Driving is inherently risky, as well." Brando


A biker is 30 times more likely to be kill in an accident than someone in a car, thats 30 times! regardless of fault. Inherently dangerous is a relative term.

Glad to hear your brother's going to be OK.

I've hit two cars broad side. Both in my first 6 months of street riding. I've been in worse situations since and missed the car with plenty of room so it's not all luck.

In each case I collected 4 times my medical bills without the use of a lawyer, but this was 25 years ago.

If I may respond to this, I was going 20 MPH on the freeway not lane sharing minding my own biz wearing a bright green Hi-Viz armored jacket with aux driving lights and hi beams on at 3 PM and was hit by a person that changed lanes right into me and when CHP did the report he concluded that I was not at fault and was doing everything correct and the driver that made an unlawful lane change was at fault. It was in my best interest to get legal representation to protect me and recover the money to cover medical bills.

I had 104K miles on my 2004 BMW RT and planned on doing another 100K with that bike. I would rather still have my old bike and not have the pain and suffering that I had to endure.

Dave

I guess it would be safer to just stay in bed.
Jim

I also got hit at hwy speed while wearing a dayglo jacket with HID high and low beams and fogs on in broad daylight, in the right lane, going with the flow of traffic. Amazingly, I didn't go down when the teenage idiot moved into my lane and knocked to the shoulder. But I was doing everything right.

You were breaking one of my top motorcycling rules: Never go with the flow of traffic. A moving target is so much harder to hit. Being stationary relative to another vehicle turns a motorcycle comically invisible.

What I mean is I wasn't doing my normal routine of passing everyone I possibly could. I was exiting soon, so I was in the right lane.

Very sorry to hear about your brother. Wishing him a speedy and complete recovery.

Just came back from a 2 up ride to Yosemite. Beautiful this time of the year. All of the Falls are in full flow, wouldn't care to see it any other way....Riding up to Oregon next week, Then on a motorcycle tour of the Alps at the end of the summer.

I'll continue riding, thank you very much. Funny how I never hear people say they are gonna stop driving when they here of someone hurt in a car accident. But when they hear about a motorcyle accident , they use that as an excuse to stop riding....

Why is it that some Motorcyclist are always having close calls, yet others rarely have them. Personally, I think the ones who quit riding after hearing of accidents are probably better off not riding in the first place. If I ever get that feeling, I guess I'll stop riding too.

To bad about that RT, 104K it was just a baby. I did 108K on my 04 in four years, Now have 65K on my 08 RT.

I don't have any legal advice, but I am glad you have decided to get legal council.

Wishing your brother the best. Tell him not to rush it, and do exactly what the doctors say.

So did I... until i got hit head on... I was VERY lucky that day..

God speed to your Brother. I have seven bikes, these are my rules when riding:
1) I am invisible
2) Everyone is trying to kill me
3) Everyone is trying to kill me

^^^^ +100 To that. That is what keeps me alive all these years. I have been on two wheels since I first got my licence and that was the first ( and hopefully that last wreck)

Dave