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asphaltgambler 08-16-2011 06:13 AM

Odd Interview Question..................
 
Recently a potential opportunity came up and I sat down with this guy. All seemed to be going well by his line of questioning and body language. Near the end on the session he asks................

Him:" So...................what is the minimum salary you would accept?"

Me: "??? - That would depend on your salary range, which is not listed"

Him: "Yes as a general rule we do not publicaly post our salaries for open positions"

Me: " Understand completely........But why would you ask me a question like that?"

Him: ?????

Me " Given the responsibilty and requirements of this position I would imagine the salary range would be above market in this area"

Him: "Yes..........you could be right"

Me: "So if you are asking that question you are offering me the job?"

Him: " Possibly....................so what is your minimum requirements?"

Me: " it's $x.........................."

Him "Hmmmmmm.........not sure we can 'do' that."

Me: "I think this line of question is almost demeaning................I'll save you the time......I can't do that":mad:

M.D. Holloway 08-16-2011 06:31 AM

Sounds like the guy was an idiot. Your better off...

masraum 08-16-2011 06:55 AM

I'm always asked what my "desired" rate is. I don't think I've ever been asked about my "minimum" rate. It's only one word, but it does seem to make a pretty big difference to the meaning of the question, doesn't it?

krystar 08-16-2011 07:00 AM

a company will always try to lowball you. just like you'll always try to highball the company. if the job was realy good, and he can't meet your salary requirements, then u can just say, well...if you can't meet salary, you'll have to make up in either PTO or other benefits

Zeke 08-16-2011 07:04 AM

Well, if he really did say, "....so what is your minimum requirements?"

I guess he is an idiot. Otherwise I don't see anything wrong with it. But, I don't interview.

widgeon13 08-16-2011 07:04 AM

The job market sounds brutal these days, glad I'm retired.

VincentVega 08-16-2011 07:05 AM

I dont see the big deal. Guy asked what you want, you give a #. It's it's not up to your level, say now or find a way to work around it. Less hours, different beni's, profit sharing... ? If no, say thanks, but no thanks.

asphaltgambler 08-16-2011 07:20 AM

This is/was a very mid-to-high level technical opportunity .................NOT entry level or sweeping the floors kind of thing. He DID say what IS your minimum..........................

Big difference than playing the salary "game" - My opinion is that he and maybe the company are *ssh*les

URY914 08-16-2011 07:29 AM

I had just about the same questions a few weeks ago in an interview.

I told him that when I negotiate I never name a never put a number on the table first. I never do when I'm buying a used car and I won't do it now. I also said I won't do it if I come to work for you.

sammyg2 08-16-2011 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krystar (Post 6199027)
a company will always try to lowball you. just like you'll always try to highball the company. if the job was realy good, and he can't meet your salary requirements, then u can just say, well...if you can't meet salary, you'll have to make up in either PTO or other benefits

Didn't used to be that way.
For a long time people in HR understood that if you lowball someone you not only risk losing out on a good prospect, you also negatively effect the person's productivity and also long term stability.
Offer too low and the employee will not be happy and will be more likely to go elsewhere. Waste of effort, company resources, and investment. Bad for the company.

But along comes gen-x business majors totally void of common sense, and they think it's their job to get a "bargain". Idjusts.

There are still some intelligent people involved in the hiring process but they are an endagered species.

I long for the days when common sense and intelligence were more prevalent in business. Get off my lawn.

AirKuhl 08-16-2011 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krystar (Post 6199027)
a company will always try to lowball you. just like you'll always try to highball the company. if the job was realy good, and he can't meet your salary requirements, then u can just say, well...if you can't meet salary, you'll have to make up in either PTO or other benefits

I've hired many people (hundreds) and I never try to lowball. We look at market data for that position and skill set, then put an offer together that might be above, below or at market average depending on experience, skills, etc.

BTW, only the interviewer that's doing all the HR stuff should ever ask about salary, not the future boss, team mates, etc.

Porsche-O-Phile 08-16-2011 07:46 AM

I see this a lot lately especially on Craigslist and Monster postings: "include salary history" or "include salary requirements".

Avoid.

All it means is they're fishing for low bids to see what the minimum is. HR people do his all the time just to figure out the salary range for a particular position or skill set (because they have no idea). They have no intention of hiring you.

john70t 08-16-2011 08:07 AM

The corporate interface with employees and customers is quite lacking, sometimes.

This is just one person, a roadblock meant to be a partial roadblock.
I suspect if you really wanted to work for that particular company you could have left an ambiguous first impression, or gone to someone higher(no pun) on the ladder.
This still could be done.

Not knowing the original situation, I'll just say loosing one's cool during an interview over a mis-spoken question is a bad gesture. I'm a hothead at times, and have kicked myself in the leg too many times over some idiots lack of awareness.

You could say:
"Well, to my understanding (X-to-X) dollars is the going rate for this type of job. My qualifications and experience are (X) and I don't think my position is unreasonable. If you decide to contact me later for this position, I may reconsider your company".
Sell yourself, and let them know what they lost.

asphaltgambler 08-16-2011 08:51 AM

just a note BTW........... is I did remain calm through-out the process. My last reply was matter-of-factly. For me there is no other literal interpretation of this other than....What is the absolute least amount we could possibly pay you?

aigel 08-16-2011 09:47 AM

I don't think you should have pulled a number out of the hat. You can only lose: Too high and they think you are crazy. Too low and they think you may not be up for the job.

If they don't let you dodge the question, you just say what you make now. You then say that you will want to make more, naturally. But that you are more interested in the opportunity and that you are sure you'll work something out that works for both of you. Then change subject right away if possible.

It is very important not to scare the potential employer off. You need them to decide you are the one to hire and after that the negotiations take place.

Just my two cents. Hope this helps.

George

Laneco 08-16-2011 12:36 PM

This process is dysfunctional. It would be like trying to buy a car without a test drive and the seller won't tell you how much the car costs. But you are supposed to make an offer that may or may not be acceptable and you won't get a second chance.

Quite silly if you think about it.

It really puts you on the spot. I would like to know if you can afford me before I spend my time on an interview. Frankly, my time is worth something. If you are thinking five figures for the position, and I'm worth six we should probably not waste each other's time.

angela

URY914 08-16-2011 12:37 PM

The question also shows up in on-line job applications. I fill out about 10 a week.

McLovin 08-16-2011 12:40 PM

It's a standard bargaining technique - try to get the other guy to put out the first number.

aigel 08-16-2011 01:41 PM

I did not touch on this above, so here some more:

Of course the interviewer will want to know if the interviewee has realistic salary expectations. The salary discussion comes up in every interview. In a big company you will not even make it past the phone HR screener without being asked. It is to be expected and to be handled smoothly by the interviewee. It certainly isn't a reason to walk away from what could have been a great new job opportunity. The goal in any interview is to get an offer. Nothing less. I don't quite understand the outrage here. Was it handled well by the interviewer? Probably not, but it sure hasn't been handled professionally by the interviewee either.

Like I said, if asked, tell them what you make now (if it isn't embarrassing) and leave it at that. They will know they have to add some to it. Encourage them by saying that you are sure you will be able to work something out.

George

URY914 08-16-2011 05:17 PM

Just tell the guy..."I hope to make a hell-of-a-lot more that you do.";)

azasadny 08-16-2011 07:52 PM

Remember that you're interviewing them as much as they are interviewing you. Sounds like it would be a cra**y place to work, at least if you worked for that guy...

campbellcj 08-16-2011 08:28 PM

I agree, that is an odd question. I regularly ask how much an applicant is currently making, and/or how much they're "looking for", but I would never phrase it as this guy did.

A930Rocket 08-16-2011 08:41 PM

If you have to ask, you can't afford me...

Rick Lee 08-16-2011 08:47 PM

This is timely. I have an in-person interview tomorrow, have already had a phone one with the boss and another one with HR yesterday. However, I'm not really interested in the job. I just want to check it out, get some more in-person interview experience here (I don't have much since moving to AZ) and see if they want me badly enough to make an offer I can't refuse. The recruiter told me it would probably max out the first year at what I'm making now. So that's a non-starter, since I'm very comfortable where I am. Whenever someone asks me why I'm looking, I tell them, "Because I don't have to and that's the best time to look."

aigel 08-16-2011 09:31 PM

Never turn down a chance to interview. Always go in with the goal to get an offer. Never burn any bridges if you end up declining. You never know - things can change fast at your current job and the new job will be only a phone call away!

George

DanielDudley 08-17-2011 01:37 AM

Answer is, I would want X, but I am well worth it.

Personally, I am working for 20% less than I did a few years ago. Less demanding work, with lots of competition.

azasadny 08-17-2011 03:54 AM

Years ago, during the interview with the Pres of a brokerage co, when I told him my salary requirements, he said "that's a lot of money" and I replied "yes, it is". He told me later that's when he decided to hire me. He wanted to see if I would back down or start defending the salary I was asking for. I didn't deny that it was a lot of $, but I let him do most of the talking.

asphaltgambler 08-17-2011 05:58 AM

good points everyone....

Rick Lee 08-17-2011 05:59 AM

The first time I ever emailed with my current boss about the job I have now, I told him my salary requirements. His exact reply was, "Seriously, based on your experience, I'd reconsider that figure." I replied, "Why? That's what I'm making now and my job is totally safe and by my house? Why would I commute to DC for less?" He ended up offering me the job for far less, thinking I was bluffing about salary. I told him that was unacceptable, but thanks. He called back a day later with a much better offer.

svandamme 08-17-2011 06:53 AM

they do that all the time around here... i tend to give em a range and tell em it depends on the benefits they throw in with the salary.. Gives em something to work with.

sammyg2 08-17-2011 09:33 AM

Speaking of interviews, I conducted a bunch of em over the past few weeks.
We're offering jobs to 4 of em.

One guy is an ex racer and his son is a current professional race car driver. See him on TV all the time.

I was getting teased by another manager who said:
you can't hire that guy, neither of you will ever get anything done because you'll spend all day bench racing!

I said, "what's yer point?"


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