When you own a British car with Lucas...
 

Lord Lucas., Prince of Darkness.

Ok, so Lucas was not great. However as a Brit I must point out that anyone with an Italian car back in the day, would be very lucky if they did not have problems with Magneti Marelli. :)

Lucas is my last name. When I sold spriget/mini racing parts I heard them all. The lights always dim when I walk into a room and I invented the intermittant wiper.

Well....They did have a Neg. Grd System....according to people who I know that for worked RCA - "it is just more proper."
Seems like we folks over here have the wrong idea which way the electrons truly do flow?

Know why the Brits drink warm beer? Lucas makes refrigerators too...

Great pic in the first post.

Joke as told to me by an ex-Lucas engineer:

Q: Do you know why there are no British computer companies?

A: They haven't found a way to make them leak oil yet.

Yeah, there's the negatives insofar as the Lucas electrics, but many of those British cars are some of the dead sexiest cars on the planet.

I assume that in most cases, when one wants either a driver or to convert one to a racer, all that Lucas stuff gets ripped out and upgraded to some kind of setup with present day reliability.

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Purists/restorers are the only ones who have to continue to suffer, right?

Ah..."The Prince of Darkness" I have to laugh out loud every time I hear that said. I have a great text about that on my other computer. Unfortunately that computer is still in the shop getting repaired. Otherwise I would share.

Lucas did make one product that didn't suck...
...a vacuum cleaner.

You guys have loaded my gun with some new ammo. The one driver from the local parts store is into British cars, and he is always ragging me about those "overpriced Volkswagens" whenever he comes in and sees a Porsche.

Jag circuit diagram:

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Why don't they have very many skyscrapers in England?

lucas makes their elevators.

I'm tellin ya'll I have heard them all. To this day when anybody I know buys a British car. I give them a case of Castrol. I have been secretly looking at XJS's. Man they are stupid cheap and most have less than 75K on the clock. It will be a classic some day.

Good one Flieger !

Lucas electrics........
 

"If Britannia rules the waves, why then won't her cars cross a puddle?"

I actually bought a 1958 MGA coupe once that had quit after driving thru a deep water puddle. It sat in the owners carport for a couple of years not running because a helpful neighbor had unplugged all the wiring under the dash to "fix it" Of course, then he had no idea where the wires went. I bought the car for $225.00, got a wiring diagram and a copy of same. With a friend looking in the engine compartment with me under the dash I would pull on a wire and ask where it went. My buddy would say "to the horn relay" or where ever and I would plug it in. After about 3-4 hours work we drained the gas tank, changed the oil, put in new batteries (two mounted behind the seats) and started it up. Kept it for a couple of years until a buyer came along who just had to have it. So for a nice tidy profit I sent it down the road. Every once in a while the fuel pump would quit and I would have to whack the pump with a small hammer kept in the car just for that purpose. A new pump would have fixed the problem, but where is the fun in that?

A shared a few beers and talked to a engineer that worked for the Ethyl corporation back in the days of trying to certify cars for emissions. He said manufacturers would send cars from all over the world for them to certify.

He said the strangest car came from a small British manafacturer that has a small bell-crank in the carb linkage. It would break after just a few hours of operation. Every other manafacturer would have upgraded the bell-crank. This company just sent a entire box of bell-cranks along with the car.

Now that wouldn't have been SU would it. LoL.

My worst experience with a british car didn't actually have anything to do with lucas.
A buddy in high school was given the keys to his dad's 12 cylinder E type if we could get it running right.

This was an early 'vert with those POS side draft carbs. strombergs I think.

I spent most of a week getting the carbs to work correctly and get them sync-ed. Had to replace one diaphram and play with the dashpots IIRC but the biggest problem was the linkage.
Man that thing ran like as raped ape when it was dialed in, faster than snot and SMOOTH!
For about an hour.

Back in the garage, they cabs were no longer in sync.
Fooled around for another hour and got em running right,
after that it because a weekend ritual.

I wanted to blame the lucas ignition but eventually I replaced or jury rigged much of the linkage and the problem pretty much went away. Note this car had less than 30k on the odo and his father had problems with it almost from the start and had pretty much given up on it.

I got to the point where I hated that car. It was awesome when it ran right but we couldn't even trust it to drive to the beach. What good is a convertible jag in So Cal if you can't drive it to the beach where the bunnies are?

If I had to do it again it probably wouldn't be near as difficult but I was 18 and figuring it out as I went.

No need to "rip it all out" but changing one thing does help. Years ago I removed the Lucas alternator in my 1969 Jag and replaced it with a bolt in Chrysler alternator. That one change solved about 80% of my electrical issues and made the car a delight to own and drive.

Lucas light switches are labeled, Dim, Flicker, Dead Short. FIRE.....

Lucas electrical components burn to protect the .99 cent fuse.....

ELECTRICAL THEORY OF SMOKE...BY JOSEPH LUCAS
Positive ground depends upon proper circuit functioning, the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as "smoke". Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work; we know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of the electrical system, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing.

When, for example, the smoke escapes from an electrical component (i.e., say, a Lucas voltage regulator), it will be observed that the component stops working. The function of the wire harness is to carry the smoke from one device to another; when the wire harness "springs a leak", and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterwards. Starter motors were frowned upon in British Automobiles for some time, largely because they consume large quantities of smoke, requiring very large wires.

It has been noted that Lucas components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than Bosch or generic Japanese electrics. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brakes leak fluid, British tires leak air and the British defense establishment leaks secrets...so, naturally, British electronics leak smoke.

Pretty Funny.

Whenever I do a electrical or computer repair I always do a "Smoke test" afterward. Computer motherboards are very sensitive to the smoke leaks. Sometimes so little escaped you can't see it, but the computer will quit working.

last weekend i flew home to check on my house. first time i'd been back since january. out of curiousity, i went out to my garage and uncovered the TR4. I picklebarreled it last summer before i left indy.

after lowering it back down to the ground, reconnecting the battery, checking the fluids, it fired right up. idled rough for about 5 minutes, but cleared right up. i was able to head over to Broad Ripple and snag lunch with it....which was the highlight of my trip.

ive owned a lot of cool cars, including the porsches, fiat, alfa, mercedes, etc....nothing gets as much attention as the TR4.

oh yeah, and when i restored it, i replaced the electrical. ha

I still have my original workshop manual for my MGA which is long gone. Really liked that car, but my wife would disagree.

Ask Mr Lucas...

Question & Answer Answered On

Q: I have a fourteen year old son named Lucas who I have caught several times in the back of the garage smoking. Can this item help him to respect a little firm parental intervention and aid him in smoking less...or even stopping altogether?
Jun-09-05 A: Part of the problem may be the fact that you named your son after the Prince Of Darkness. Mayhaps you should be happy that all you have caught him doing in the back of the garage is smoking! My suggestion is: since you already have spoiled him for life with his moniker, you search the 'Bay for a proper Little British Car to restore as a father-and-son project. That way, he'll have a way to fill the idle hours he'd have spent chasing girls had he been named Rocky or something more suitable. Plus, he'll learn first-handed how disgusting smoke can be. Alas, though, not with this unit, because whilst trying to photograph it for a spread in "Popular Ether Technology", it was unfortunately broken. Therefore, the auction must be terminated early. Thanks for the heartwarming interest!

Q: Once I have re-introduced smoke into my TR-2, do you warranty that it's system will resume operating at the speed of dark?
Jun-09-05 A: If you reintroduce the smoke through a microwave oven, you may even go back in time!

Q: I have been very diligent over the years and have maintained the smoke in my Sunbeam's wires perfectly. The problem is that that special Lucas perfume has disappeared from the dash, carpets and seats. In fact, at the last Concours d'Elegance I lost out to a frogeye with period odors. Is the smoke in your kit fresh enough to bring back the OEM smells of burning plastic and bakelite and are you including an adapter to replace same.
Jun-09-05 A: No adapter needed, but have you tried just STARTING that overrestored trailer queen? It might bring back the aroma by itself.

Q: This has been a most informative thread which set me off thinking about wider global environmental changes that have happened since the mid 70's. Could it be that the copious release of smoke from Lucas wiring looms around that time has significantly contributed to the holes in the ozone layer and the onset of global warming? Could it be that, had your excellent device been more available at that time, we could have saved the planet for future generations instead of fighting a rear guard action? Hindsight is such a wonderful thing isn't it.
Jun-09-05 A: Hey- This is a serious site- we're not discussing "junk science" like Global Climate Change!

Q: I have a questions. For some time. My object is to restore a the few pre-Chrysler Rootes Sunbeam Tigers to original factory condition, with ALL the LAT racing options. So far, I have been quite successful, but unaware of your Lucas Smoke Kit. I am perplexed as to it's satistactory application to this original British Classic that Mr. Carroll Shelby has enhanced with a lot of Ford (USA) parts. This includes a large portion, but not all, of the electrics. It is very easy to differentiate between the Lucas Parts and the Ford Parts, as the Ford Parts still work. While we cn admire Mr. Lucas for the development of the intermittent windshield wiper, the self-dimming lighting system, and the colorful turn signal spark generator, it is unclear whether your offering wll work satisfactorily with so much of the electrics originating in the US. Is this device compatible, as the US parts do not show signs of leaking smoke?
Jun-09-05 A: The Lucas smoke may cause failure of the connecting interstices, but the, so will everything else.

Q: Maybe you can help me. I have an old generator that I have suspected of having a metaphysical ozone leak for several years. It’s one of those things I feel I know to be true but cannot prove. Anyway, through an ingenious marriage of a Sharper Image Ionic Breeze air purifier and a breast milk pump, (by the way, both were obtained on ebay) I have devised a way to recharge the ozone that I can smell leaking from the generator. But, you guessed it, when I disconnect the wiring to introduce the replacement ozone I invariably cause a smoke leak. Do you think there is a way to mate our two machines in such a way that I could “kill two birds with a single stone” – if you will.
Jun-09-05 A: That's just wrong.

Q: Can I use this device to replace the smoke in my Alfa Spider? Is Brit smoke the same as Italian smoke?
Jun-09-05 A: Only if it's pre-Bosch.

Q: Will this kit put back ALL the smoke in a 1975 Midget wire harness? Some time ago while driving our 75 Midget smoke began pouring from under the hood, after pulling over, smoke was immediately followed by flames. A HUGE amount of smoke was lost from the wire harness (10 minutes worth before the fire deparment showed up). Your jar appears to be too small to contain the volume of smoke produced by the Midget on that day. Please specify quatity of smoke. PS - Would you know where can get bulk replacment glue on insulation, there is none left on any part of the wire harness under the hood. The harness appears to be intact but is lacking smoke holding insulation. I'm planning on rerouting the main power buss from over top of the fuel line. This way next time I will have smoke, red hot wires without melting thru the fuel line. Thanks in advance.
Jun-09-05 A: You'll need bulk smoke, but I'd try your last suggestion before ordering any. Good luck!

Q: Is this setup on the "metric system" or can it be used universally? I have a MB 380SL but have replaced some of the wirings with U.S. products. Will your product make the transition? Also, are there any EPA limitations on shipping?
Jun-09-05 A: This setup is Whitworth only. sorry.

Q: As you may or may not know, the Japanese 'borrowed' heavily from British designs back in the 50's and 60's. In fact, the Skinner Union carbs on my beloved Datsun 1600 roadster were actualy built by Hitachi under license. Also, most of the electrical devises in early Datsuns were copied from Lucas. That said, do you know if an adapter is available to use the Lucas Kit you offer on a Datsun 1600 or do I need to keep searching for the Hitachi/Mitsubshi version? Thanks, Paul
Jun-09-05 A: It sort of worked in my Datsun 410 Station Wagon, but the lights all shined in instead of out. It was quite disturbing...

Q: Does this unit contain new or re-cycled smoke and will if my 1966 Triumph Bonneville motorcycle?
Jun-09-05 A: This is new, previously un-leaked smoke, as originally installed on your T-120. Have at it!

Q: Would this product fix the Miller dynamo on my motorbike? The smoke got out of it years ago and I am in despair. Having to run a total loss electrical system now. Please, no smart-alec comments about nothing to lose. I have been desparate for a cure for years and will jump at anything. I get so depressed. But I really liked your answers to all the questions. I learned so much. You must be smart. What are some good upgrades for my bike? Should I get a Boyer electronic ignition?
Jun-09-05 A: Probably.

Q: It looks like a self contained, auto smoking, environmentally enclosed, smoke recirculation, multi-smoker bong I created in the late 60s. The only thing missing is the air manifold (from a fish tank set-up) to hook up the individual smoking tubes. Are you sure you didn’t get this idea from me, when we were smoking that wacky tobacco one time? ; > )
Jun-09-05 A: Could be. I can't remember.

Q: I have the idential part but needs the smoke refill cartage, i was told to ring 84433 3-33888444555 or speed dial 666 is that you?
Jun-09-05 A: No, that's that shop in Michigan.

Q: Do you have any idea if the kit will work on Alfa Romeos? My 1963 Giulia has bullet connectors, a Lucas windshield wiper motor, and a variety of other Lucas components. Earlier Alfas had lots more Lucas stuff, such as starter motor and generator, so I imagine it's more suited to them. On a different note, did Alfa's change from Lucas to Bosch signify the end of the of the 'Italian masochistic' era?
Jun-09-05 A: This will work with the Lucas portions. The Bosch change was a misbeggoten effort to work around the simultaneous Italian/British Stevedore Strikes of the early 70s.

Q: HI, JUST HAPPENED ACROSS YOU AUCTION. GREAT ITEM BUT I AM CURIOUS. I DO ARCADE GAME REPAIRS ON THE OLD UPRIGHT ARCADE GAMES. YOU KNOW, PACMAN, DEFENDER, DIGDUG? THE X-Y MONITOR TYPE GAMES SUCH AS BATTLEZONE, STARWARS OR TEMPEST ARE FAMOUSLY KNOWN FOR RELEASING THE X-Y SMOKE FROM THEIR MONITORS. WOULD THIS TOOL BE SUITABLE TO REINTRODUCTION OF MONITOR SMOKE. YOU SEE THE SMOKE IS READILY AVAILABLE ON EBAY BUT THE RECHARGE TOOL IS NOT AS ATARI QUIT OFFERING THEM YEARS AGO. THESE MONITORS ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR WHEN YOU DONT HAVE THE PROPER SERVICE TOOLS. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THIS WOULD WORK OR WOULD I NEED AN ADAPTOR SUCH AS P/N 2FUB-1269-AR. THANKS.....FRED
Jun-09-05 A: Got me. I got my VIC-20 to run one game of "Hangman" with just a spritz, though.

Q: Enough, enough already! I cannot allow you to perpetuate this lowbrow fraud any longer! Anyone with any knowledge of Lucas products should recognize that the Lucas label art on the jar is wrong for this early version of the smoke kit. And of course, the lid should be black with the valve oriented 180º to the label. The smoke color itself is not original to the early cloth insulated wiring and perhaps even for the early plastic insulation. Bidders beware, this is most certainly a replica, and a poor one at that — possibly from Taiwan. Additionally, the smoke replacement kit was meant to be used only by highly qualified personnel. The dangers of misuse are indescribable - certainly I can't…, but the phrase "gone up in smoke" was born of this process.
Jun-09-05 A: Oh, yeah? well, in the interest of openness, I'm going to place your tirade on the site. That doesn't mean I like it, though.

Q: I wonder if you would do an exchange (with a cash adjustment in my favour). I have some bottles of 'bottom air' that was supplied by Dunlop many years ago. The advantage is that it takes up very little space as of course when you get a flat the top air in the tyre remains perfectly serviceable, it's only the bottom air that needs replacing. I will wait your reply. All the best from the UK.
Jun-09-05 A: If this is the proper bottom air for a set of 4.00X 10 Gold Seals, we may be able to work a deal. We have a '68 Moke in the shop with original rubber, and the domestic bottom air keeps migrating out. It evidently deoesn't have enough atmospheric British ambient smoke to fill the pores in the tyres.

Q: My brother Joe is currently (well last 8 years) working on a mini and he's never managed to get ANY smoke out of it yet. Would it be possible to use this kit to make some come out of other parts of the car - not just the wiring loom. I was thinking mainly about the exhaust...
Jun-09-05 A: No.

Q: Geez, I wish I had seen this auction before I bought some "off-shore" smoke. I didn't realize there was some OEM stuff left. To make matters worse, I switched to synthetic smoke (yeah, I know) but it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Unfortunately for my 72 Range Rover, I have not yet been able to fashion an effective bypass for the optional Fairey smoke pump which has recently failed. If only you could have made this item available earlier!

Good one Joe Bob ! That and Flieger's schematic and some genuine Lucas replacement smoke should get the job done.