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pwd72s 10-31-2011 08:49 AM

What happened to professional courtesy?
 
Florida Trooper pulls Miami officer over for going 120 mph - YouTube

Mrmerlin 10-31-2011 09:07 AM

sounds like the speeder needs a new job being a track driver instructor

Tobra 10-31-2011 09:11 AM

I still do it, though I am told that I am breaking the law by doing so.

I have never taken a co-pay or deductible from a firefighter or cop the entire time I have practiced. I do it for doctors and nurses too.

onlycafe 10-31-2011 09:30 AM

troopers need faster cars?

Icemaster 10-31-2011 09:39 AM

He should get off? Sounds like she showed him all the professional courtesy he deserved.

If he was doing 85 in a 70, I'd probably look other way. Doing 120 is probably a little more than reasonable.

Does sound like the two departments have some history based on her last comment.

oldE 10-31-2011 09:40 AM

The spouse of a young woman I worked with last Summer mentioned her guy (an RCMP officer) was on the way to the airport to pick up his dad when he got hauled over for speeding by a Halifax area constable. No mercy. He "walked for a week".

30 years earlier, another guy I knew was with the Provincial Dept of Transport and was stopped and written a ticked for speeding by an RCMP constable. I think my acquaintance had expected a "little professional courtesy" and, not receiving it, asked the Mountie for his summons book. Receiving the book, he wrote the constable up for a non-functioning headlamp.

I don't think "professional courtesy" has accounted for much around here.

Les

azasadny 10-31-2011 12:59 PM

My father and brother are both retired LEO's and they both told me the only moving violation that they could absolutely NOT get away with was DUI.

andyt11 10-31-2011 01:20 PM

Whilst she was a little aggressive, he definitely deserves to get nailed.

passing people on the left and right at a buck 20 is a recipe for trouble. All you need is someone not paying attention to change lanes at the wrong moment and his 2ton terrible handling boat is going to become a yard sale.

Baz 10-31-2011 01:37 PM

Good for her - we need less professional courtesy. LEO's especially "should know better"!

Over the years hearing all the lectures after being pulled over with no traffic in a rural area for exceeding by less than 15 over....this guy better get written up! :mad:

daepp 10-31-2011 01:38 PM

Cops in Cali used to take drunken firemen to the nearest firehouse.

dienstuhr 10-31-2011 02:04 PM

How was she supposed to know that the Miami police car hadn't been stolen and being driven by a felon? It certainly seemed that way judging from his failure to stop. He was endangering everyone on the freeway with his driving.

Florida trooper = right
Miami cop = wrong

Cheers

d.

quicksix 10-31-2011 02:12 PM

A professional (Fill in the blank) would never act in that fashion.
No professional courtesy due

strupgolf 10-31-2011 04:26 PM

Good for her. Stop the guy, arrest him. Oh oh oh oh, he had to get to his OTHER job. That's right folks, he had to get to his other job driving 120 in a car provided by taxpayers, maintained by taxpayers, insured by taxpayers, and all at no cost to him. Fire his ass.

Oh Haha 10-31-2011 04:42 PM

Good for her!!
She was doing her job. The Miami cop deserves whatever he gets.

Christien 10-31-2011 05:41 PM

The whole professional courtesy thing amongst leos bugs me. It's the one profession where that kind of action is explicitly unconstitutional. That whole rule of law thing.

Normy 10-31-2011 05:58 PM

When I was a captain at two airlines, I gave DOZENS of "jumpseat rides" to other pilots trying to get to work or trying to get home. I always enjoyed doing it!

This is considered "Professional courtesy". I've used "professional courtesy" to go to Europe about 100 times, and Hawaii a few times as well....

-If it weren't for the TSA, if I was flying some place and a Pelican member presented themselves to me, I'd try to find a way to carry one of you in the cockpit with me. It would be a lot of fun to talk, and I'd have you sit in the right seat and work the autopilot for a while. It's pretty easy-

Well, in my time I flew out of Brussels, and we occasionally moved pilots from a Belgian airline called European Air Transport around. Jumpseating doesn't exist outside of the United States, so these men were not educated in the "jumpseat protocol". They walked into MY cockpit and told me that THEY were my jumpseaters. I was 33 years old, and you already know about my nasty temper, but I tamed it;

"Oh you are, are you?"

[Airline pilots that read this are all smiling]

Oh, I just carried them anyway. That is considered EXTREMELY RUDE in airline circles. I don't care- Generally, I don't care about much of anything. I didn't care if my crew wore their ties or not, or even if they wore their uniforms. Since we were cargo, my attitude was "don't get me fired, don't get me violated, don't get me dead, but do your job".

I'm serious. I let FO's that hadn't flown with me fly the first leg. If they were high and fast or low and slow...I'd tell them all about it, but otherwise I simply didn't care. I run a very laid-back cockpit.

So I basically took anyone. Heh! One night, I carried a crew from this Irish cargo airline called "Air Contractors". We were flying from Brussels to Dublin, and the Irish crew was done for a week and was going home. There was one guy who was obviously the flight engineer, and looked like he was 75 years old. He sat down in the second jumpseat in my 727 and shortly after we took off, he leaned forward and I heard him say: "Well, I'm going to have a potty"

Great. Thanx for the information grampa!

A few minutes later, I started to smell....alcohol. Like booze. I'm sniffing, what the hell? I look at my FO, and he's staring back at me with the same thoughts. I turn around in my seat, and what do I see? The old guy has a thermos bottle open, and in the other hand he is pouring a pint of Irish whiskey into it. He is making a "toddy", or some sort of Irish coffee and whiskey configuration....right in my cockpit!

-I could have made an issue about it. That was COMPLETELY illegal on several levels, and in ALL the multiple jurisdictions that involved an American airplane, in Belgian airspace, and an Irish crewmember!

I just chuckled! Heh heh! I thumbed back to my FO. He smiled too.

An old guy going home, having a drink? DAMN! He deserves it!

I said NOTHING.

N!

Laneco 10-31-2011 07:09 PM

It is neither professional nor courteous to break the law and expect others to ignore your transgressions (e.g. speeding cop).

It is flat out rude.

angela

MMARSH 10-31-2011 09:21 PM

Professional courtesy if it's one of those things where you might write a ticket or you might give a warning. I wouldn't give a warning for 120 MPH. I would be so pissed chasing someone going that fast, I would probably impound his car as well....

McLovin 10-31-2011 09:35 PM

The professionally courteous thing would have been for Officer Castroneves to promptly pull over.

Porsche-O-Phile 11-01-2011 02:00 AM

The law applies to everyone - even police officers. That's the way it's supposed to work anyway. Technically a cop isn't supposed to even drive 1 mph over the speed limit yet as we all know there's one set of rules for them and another set for everyone else. I routinely see cops cruising in the left lane doing 80-85 (no emergency lights), tailgating and even weaving in/out of lanes.

We've become Soviet Russia.


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