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Bottomline, he was a coward.

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 6861836)

I would like to see a number of things happen.
1. Criminal prosecutions.
2. Wholesale firings, top to bottom.
3. The university banned from college football for a period, and banned from bowl play for a longer period (multiple years).
4. The university's football budget redirected to child welfare.
5. That stupid statute melted down.

Add:
6: Lifetime imprisonment, ALL personel property stripped, zero pensions.
7: Massive sweep and revamp all school systems in the US - background check to the most extensive level for any employee including psychiatric examinations. Just has to be done.

As big is this story is, thousands of these sicko's are all over the school systems, all grade levels. Crazy that we only crow when we hear it but man its time for some parents to rampage their school districts.

Sick. Constantly hearing this stuff in the news around Chicago and suburb's too. NEVER seems to end! The same should be done to the entire Catholic org. Total government overule any of their policies and gov. background checks and psychiatric exams at the church's expense. The crimes were done and proven in court, the church admitted to wrong doing and policing themselves like moron's, so why doesn't the government come in and do something about it?

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 6364426)

Gawd you people are clueless.

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 6363822)

I feel sorry for you folks.

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 6364371)

When Joepa took over coaching in 1966 the Penn State football stadium held 30,000+. Beaver Stadium holds 107,000+. It's called cold hard cash. No professor has ever brought that to ANY college, EVER. Penn State was an agricultural university until Joe showed up. Joe's graduation rate for his players was 87%. Those professors should thank him for their jobs.
People should really stop posting garbage without knowledge.

And Sandusky should thank him for covering for him. Have you read the Freeh Report or are you waiting for Jay's paid crony's version?

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Originally Posted by Superman (Post 6361958)

And again, lest someone accuse me of "sticking up for Paterno even though he didn't do what he should have done," based on the information I have seen, I would agree that Paterno's response should certainly have been much more vigorous than it was. He should have pressed McQueary for enough details to understand what to do. He appears to have not done that, though we really don't even know that. Maybe he did. Maybe McQueary refused to tell him. We do not know.

And I'll also say that it looks like Paterno had enough information about Sandusky to prohibit his use of university football facilities, and should also have done that. So yeah, this looks very bad for Paterno. Paterno, who used to be considered a model of moral behavior.

If I were investigating this, I would be very curious about what Paterno knew and didn't know and about what he said and didn't say, and to whom. And I would seek out that information as part of my investigation, which would precede judgment. Apparently, some here would do those steps in a different order.

Those are great points, Supe. The worst part is, Joe knew he was showering with boys in '98 ( and was told to stop to which Sandusky agreed ) then 3 years later he's told Sandusky was witnessed in the showers again. That's when he really showed his true colors. He sat on the info for a day and kept on protecting a pedophile.

Hmm, maybe leaving the statue in place IS a good idea. Just make one with Joe pa-thetic's head in the sand instead.

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 6869442)

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The Paterno family is holding fast to what little is left of Joe's long-held lessons of honor, discipline and dignity. IOW, not much. That stance is a constant reminder of the Paterno legacy of denial.

A long spell from football would do well to remind future generations of the consequences of misplaced priorities in higher education.

Sherwood

Dead guilty. Paterno family needs to have it driven into their heads. Same goes for Sandusky's wife... she disgust me just as much. All sick. Lifetime ban the football program there as a reminder what human violations were done and what will be done elsewhere.

There was a time when college sports were a sidelight to the educational experience, and kids played them for the love of the game.

People can bemoan the politics of the faculty all they want, but frankly I think that turning college athletics into a professional enterprise is the real culprit for much of the downfall in higher education.

Sad day all around. There are no winners here.

I disagree with the penalties against the students.

They did nothing wrong.

Criminal prosecution should be brought against management.

Once more the big shots evade justice and others take the brunt of the punishment.

Wouldn't be the first time the NCAA fails.

:rolleyes:

The players can continue their careers at other schools.

The students can get a lesson in right vs wrong.

If they can't get a good college experience without football, they can go to other schools too.

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 6869388)

Bottomline, he was a coward.

sad bud true:(
There is no defense for defending a child molester..

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on a percentage basis, do people think there are more or fewer of these offenders today than in the past?

Same, "nice people" didn't talk about things like that.

Everyone knew Uncle Bob was a problem but you kept the secret in the family.

Keep his statue in a warehouse under a cover. A big coverup is needed for the statue, just like he covered up the rape of little boys.

I only wish Joe had lived long enough to watch them take down his statue.

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 6870176)

The students can get a lesson in right vs wrong.

Most people understand that wrong was done. If they have been watching the media circus, it has been beaten into their heads.

This idea of teaching everyone a lesson and spreading punishment all over the place is a perversion of any kind of justice. The old saying "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" has a place here. Punish those responsible and move on.

While I agree that college athletics is a joke, all schools and programs should not be condemned for the actions of a few.

Can someone who follows college sports please explain to me what "vacated wins" means? The students/players actually played and won those games. Do they just not count towards paterno's record?

As far as I 've read this morning about the NCAA's action:

$60MM fine
Lose 20 scholarships/yr for 4 years
4 year ban from post-season play
All wins from 1998-2011 vacated

I wonder if the vacated wins become wins for the other team?

Is Bobby Bowden now the winningest coach?

Too bad Paterno is not around to face the music.

I don't think the 4 year ban was enough, 10 would have been better. What did USC get for giving a players parents a house to live in, 3 years?

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Originally Posted by peppy (Post 6870932)

Is Bobby Bowden now the winningest coach?

Too bad Paterno is not around to face the music.

Nah, they'd have to give it to Eddie Robinson, although he played schedules that were so much easier than Bear Bryant did. Grambling has been yelling for this for weeks. (But yeah, it's Bowden)

Gagliardi? pfffft.