maybe my management skills suck?
 

glad i took some anger management classes. i almost came unglued.

i have two individuals working for me that will not listen. they are an electrical engineer, and a mechanical engineer. i'm civil, so i admit..sometimes they talk and my eyes can glaze over the techical details.

we have some ductwork going up. there is an inline fan. plans say to cut an access door into the ductwork in case someone needs to work on it. there is a surface mounted EXIT sign potentially in the way. who cares? i think sometimes it is OK to have to remove an air cleaner to get to sparkplugs..right? these two want to take a 1.5 million dollar architectural system back to the drawing board, to put the access panel into it. out of respect, i took their idea to management..but i was always given the orders to "never mess with the panels". but i asked..i got the "NO" i knew i would get. to much e$xposure to claims.

i passed the "NO" back to the two guys..two months ago. i come into a meeting TODAY and they are all discussing modifying the panels again. they had CAD drawings!! effen two months wasted..i told them to pause..dragged up my busy arse management..and had them reiterate the NO!! i looked like an idiot! i got that look where they questioned my ability to run a crew. damn. damn damn..in the private sector..i would send them packing.

Yep!

First time 'going upstairs' (asking just to cover your bases was OK. Second time was a waste of time.

You might have avoided this by owning the decision. Less "Guys, they say we shouldn't do it" and more. "It has to be done this way. This is what I want."
Make it happen.

Best
Les

they work for you..
not really...

perhaps you should install it yourself..
cause your not running that crew..

Rika

Got to ask, you said in the private sector, would send them packing. What sector you in? I know private sector and government/military. Am I missing one? First off you have every right to be pissed, they work under you, for you. they asked, you went upstairs and got a no answer. They went behind your back and on "company time" to do the CAD drawings. Who paid for that? It's the same as on line games or porn. You're at work stealing time. I know private citizens are covered by civil and criminal laws, civilian government workers the same and military under military code. You can sue/charge/discharge for due cause. Civil (corporate) structure, you report to your supervisor, military, to your commanding officer. You don't jump the chain of command unless you got your ducks in a row. Why can't you get rid of them? Seems like they crapped in their mess kits. Like I said, just asking?

Well, you already know what I would have donehttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/burn.gif

Why was there no access door designed into the ductwork originally? Having an inline fan (or a filter bank, or a VAV, or a fire damper, or anything else) in ductwork without a way to access or clean it is just poor practice.

And against code around here.

I guess I'm fortunate that the only employee I have to manage is myself (the only sticky points have been about vacation time).
Jim

i work for DOT.

i am going call a team meeting tomorrow to see what I can do to make their job more clear.

"help me help you"..

:) better now. just blasted 20 miles on my bicycle. i'm frozen but happy.

Slightly related, my predecessor as Prez of the HOA hired his pool boy to fix our decorative waterfall. The idiot cut out every bolt together flange and put in PVC glue-on fittings, without enought meat on the PVC to cut and put new flanges in again. So next time it fails we'll have to excavate behind the concrete well that it is in to get enought PVC pipe to fix it properly. I guess he figured the pump and motor would never have to come out again, EVAR! Fricking idiot.

Your HOA must be rich to have a pool boy, we don't even have a pond guy on retainer.
Jim