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krichard 01-09-2012 08:39 PM

LSU shut out.... three way tie???
 
so does LSU being shut out bring OSU back into the title discussion since there are now three one loss teams??? Doubt it but the discussion should be better than the actual "national championship game"

rouxroux 01-09-2012 08:47 PM

No....TOTAL DOMINATION!!!!!!

KFC911 01-10-2012 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rouxroux (Post 6484162)
No....TOTAL DOMINATION!!!!!!

...and that's quite an understatement imo!!!

onewhippedpuppy 01-10-2012 03:55 AM

Even though I think the rematch of "most boring game of the year" was terrible and the BCS is a joke, isn't that the point? One game, one winner, one champ? The idea of co-champs is a joke, LSU was dominated and OSU didn't even play in the game. Alabama is the champ, congrats to them.

nota 01-10-2012 05:04 AM

playoff

onewhippedpuppy 01-10-2012 07:56 AM

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playoff
Amen

IROC 01-10-2012 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nota (Post 6484417)
playoff

Playoff system will never happen. No one would go to the games. Think about it. Your team is highly ranked (say, top 10). Your first playoff game is half-way across the country. Do you throw all of your eggs ($$$ in this case) into that one basket and travel to that game? Or do you hold out hoping they win and move on to the next round and try and make that game? Or the next? Do you risk missing out on seeing them play if you gamble and assume they win in the early rounds?

Most fans don't have the disposable income to travel to three or four playoff games all over the country during the months of December/January so the reality is that very few fans would actually attend these playoff games.

The current bowl system isn't perfect (and neither is the BCS), but I don't think we'll ever see a full playoff system.

Red Baron 01-10-2012 08:08 AM

Bama won it flat out. No co-champs and no play-off system would change it.

KFC911 01-10-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by IROC (Post 6484716)
Playoff system will never happen. No one would go to the games. Think about it. Your team is highly ranked (say, top 10). Your first playoff game is half-way across the country. Do you throw all of your eggs ($$$ in this case) into that one basket and travel to that game? Or do you hold out hoping they win and move on to the next round and try and make that game? Or the next? Do you risk missing out on seeing them play if you gamble and assume they win in the early rounds?

Most fans don't have the disposable income to travel to three or four playoff games all over the country during the months of December/January so the reality is that very few fans would actually attend these playoff games.

The current bowl system isn't perfect (and neither is the BCS), but I don't think we'll ever see a full playoff system.

Good points. Besides, there already is pseudo playoff system for determining the National Champion in recent years...it's called the SEC :). I know "on any given day...", but imo, if a lot of these "other" contenders had to play other SEC teams week-after-week during the regular season...they still wouldn't be playing for the trophy. It is all about the money...always has been, always will be :(

JeremyD 01-10-2012 09:10 AM

You do 16 teams - split into four regional games (SE, NE, NW, SW)

2nd round you play for a regional champion ^^

Then you play for a East/West

Then a title game.

35 bowl games are a joke. That "championship" game blew

KFC911 01-10-2012 09:19 AM

Heck, I'd like to see a "playoff" even if it were only the top 4 teams (and not based upon arbitrary bs like having 0 losses if'n the competition is sub-par :)).

ps: How to pick the "top four"? All head coaches vote to pick 'em or something...

rouxroux 01-10-2012 09:58 AM

NEWS FLASH (New Orleans): The LSU team bus is STILL stuck in the Superdome parking lot. It sweems that someone painted a 50-yard line stripe in front of it.

pwd72s 01-10-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rouxroux (Post 6484970)
NEWS FLASH (New Orleans): The LSU team bus is STILL stuck in the Superdome parking lot. It sweems that someone painted a 50-yard line stripe in front of it.

Hey, LSU crossed the 50...once. Of course, they had to punt soon afterwards (IIRC).

Alabama put on the greatest display of defense I've seen lately. The old saw of "Defense wins championships" was certainly true in this case.

rouxroux 01-10-2012 10:06 AM

We did not have to worry about the "red zone"...lsu only had 4 plays in the "crimson zone"...It was like they needed to be spotted 50 yards each possession just to make it fair.

KFC911 01-10-2012 10:27 AM

Hey, I watched the game...it was simply a difference of field goal kickers imo. Saben had confidence in his kicker making them from the 25 yard line, and Miles didn't :).

pwd72s 01-10-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 6485024)
Hey, I watched the game...it was simply a difference of field goal kickers imo. Saben had confidence in his kicker making them from the 25 yard line, and Miles didn't :).

When was the ball in a place that LSU could kick?

sammyg2 01-10-2012 10:56 AM

Did anyone catch the interview with Courtney Upshaw after the game? Talk about a guy who needs subtitles.
It's a good thing he's going to make millions playing football, he isn't going to have much of a career in the booth.

In his defense he was very excited and the adrenaline was flowing but still ...

sammyg2 01-10-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 6485067)
When was the ball in a place that LSU could kick?

Pretty sure he was referring to them both having to kick opposite directions from the same 25 yard line, not different ones on either end of the field.

That'd make it about a 92 yarder for LSU ... not even Tom Dempsey could do that ;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1326225719.jpg

scottmandue 01-10-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyD (Post 6484832)
35 bowl games are a joke. That "championship" game blew

I'm not a huge collage football fan... but my friend called me a said I should watch "the two best teams in football"

A field-goal competition wasn't what I was expecting. :rolleyes:

KFC911 01-10-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 6484982)
Hey, LSU crossed the 50...once. Of course, they had to punt soon afterwards (IIRC).

Alabama put on the greatest display of defense I've seen lately. The old saw of "Defense wins championships" was certainly true in this case.

I agree witcha...

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 6485024)
... Saben had confidence in his kicker making them from the 25 yard line, and Miles didn't :).

Sammy got it :)

Red Baron 01-10-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 6484982)
Alabama put on the greatest display of defense I've seen lately. The old saw of "Defense wins championships" was certainly true in this case.

Not taking anything away from the Alabama D but LSU O made it like taking candy from a baby. The Kittens couldn't even execute a snap correctly. A horrible attempt at offense in all phases

The MVP should have been Alabama #58 Gentry. He blew up LSU's line several times..

RWebb 01-10-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rouxroux (Post 6484970)
NEWS FLASH (New Orleans): The LSU team bus is STILL stuck in the Superdome parking lot. It sweems that someone painted a 50-yard line stripe in front of it.

funny!


I like the regional bowl playoff idea - wouldn't that address IROC's concerns?

It would not be perfect either (as some conferences are weak - those outside of the PAC-28 and SEC for example) but it would be much better.

KFC911 01-10-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 6485246)
...I like the regional bowl playoff idea - wouldn't that address IROC's concerns?....

I think any playoff system that counted on the fans attending more than a couple of games would be cost prohibitive imo. Making last minute travel arrangements, etc. during the holiday season isn't gonna happen on a large scale. Everything is a compromise, but I'm thinkin' the smaller the field 4 (maybe 8) teams, the better the odds of pulling it off. Now to be the devil's advocate, there is simply too much money involved in the current bowl format (including TV $). When 11 schools without winning records (this year) make big $, along with bowls, etc. I'm afraid it will remail a$ i$ :(.

ps: Why discriminate based upon regions when most of the SEC would whup the NE (for example) year in and year out. Maybe the SEC regular season is already a playoff system :)

Moses 01-10-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 6485372)
I think any playoff system that counted on the fans attending more than a couple of games would be cost prohibitive imo. Making last minute travel arrangements, etc. during the holiday season isn't gonna happen on a large scale.

Most 16 teams formats proposed minimize this problem.

The final two games of the season are flex games. It you are ranked in the top 16, the opponent in your second to last game will change. If you win, your final game of the season will be a quarter finals match against a new opponent.

If you are a top 16 team, your final two games are part of a tournament. Tickets already sold.

At seasons end there are 4 teams remaining. SO EASY to sell tickets to semi final games!

JeremyD 01-10-2012 02:44 PM

Well, doing a playoff system might discourage musical conferences - just saying

KFC911 01-10-2012 02:46 PM

Moses, I'd never seen any proposals like that before, so I wasn't aware. What you posted does indeed make sense and seems reasonable to me...therefore, it will probably never happen :(.

KFC911 01-10-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyD (Post 6485592)
Well, doing a playoff system might discourage musical conferences - just saying

Ain't that the truth...I couldn't even name all the teams in the ACC (for basketball purposes) or SEC these days.

Moses 01-10-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 6485600)
Moses, I'd never seen any proposals like that before, so I wasn't aware. What you posted does indeed make sense and seems reasonable to me...therefore, it will probably never happen :(.

A Sports Illustrated editorial outlined it years ago. The only caveat is that you can never schedule critical conference games in the last two weeks. A small price to pay for a real tournament, IMO. I think the ratings would be huge!

Baz 01-10-2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 6484148)
so does LSU being shut out bring OSU back into the title discussion since there are now three one loss teams??? Doubt it but the discussion should be better than the actual "national championship game"

No.

OSU lost to unranked Iowa State.

Bama and LSU lost to #1 and #2 respectively.

There is a difference under the system we have.

The system worked - we saw the top two teams play for the national championship and the better team won.

If someone has a problem with that - they are concerned with a popularity contest - not who is the better team.

RWebb 01-10-2012 04:20 PM

Alabumer scored even more points against LSU than the UO Ducks did; therefore, they deserve the Championship, free & clear.

Baz 01-10-2012 04:28 PM

In my opinion.....

The game would have been more competitive had LSU taken Bama more seriously.

I think they came in under-prepared by a long shot.

Bama on the other hand - showed they DID TAKE THIS GAME SERIOUSLY - and came up with a whole new offensive strategy - which worked.

It also appeared the Bama players were better conditioned both mentally and physically. That's on the coaching staff.

Finally - the better coach won the game.

There are many more detailed aspects of the game I could comment on but those are the main ones that come to mind.

We have a good system in place - the BCS system works. I thoroughly enjoyed all the bowls this season and look forward to them again next year. Lots of games went into OT and many others were not decided until late in the game.

All the teams that are pissing and moaning about not getting into the national championship game had their chance and blew it. That is what makes it so exciting each and every week - unlike those sports with playoffs. ;)

pwd72s 01-10-2012 05:36 PM

One thing for sure...as of now, every college football team in the nation is undefeated...;)

Bring on next season! :D

URY914 01-10-2012 05:36 PM

It looked like another case of the underdog working hard and being prepared and better coached wins the big one. It's happened before.

As far as a playoff system- do you really think the bowl cities, sponsers and owners of the bowls will just going way? These guys earn a living putting on bowl games. I don't see bowls becoming playoff games anytime soon.

KFC911 01-10-2012 09:03 PM

I agree with all the recent posts...all are spot on. However, "some years", it isn't quite as clear who the top 2 teams are (lacking head-to-head matchups, etc.) and then, it isn't necessarily "fair" to a legit #3 to be left out of a chance for the trophy. This has been going on for years, and isn't gonna change imo...back to the $ tied into the current system. Who's to say it isn't the best...I dunno :).

ps: I'm not a football fanatic by a long shot although I do like SEC football. Since the games have deviated away from New Years day...I rarely watch the bowls anymore. Only caught the championship this year. I do NOT think that has been a good thing...

rouxroux 01-12-2012 10:16 AM

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rouxroux 01-12-2012 10:19 AM

Brokeback Bayou - A Les Miles & Jordan Jefferson Love Story - YouTube

RWebb 01-12-2012 12:52 PM

good!

now do a video with a pizza toss in it

rouxroux 01-12-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 6489758)
good!

now do a video with a pizza toss in it

I don't think JJ will have much of a future tossing pizza dough or flipping burgers. Maybe some minor league stadium football team will pick him up until he lands in jail again.


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