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jwasbury 02-28-2012 11:29 AM

From the article (I added emphasis):

"The observers tracked the make, age, and conditions of cars, using them as a proxy for class. High-status vehicles such as Mercedes were considered the provenance of the rich, and those driving them were about three times more likely to cut in than those in less flashy cars."

While it makes for flashy and shocking headlines (the business of the news today, no?) this study is practically worthless. So they ASSumed that make/age and condition of cars is a proxy for class...so every person who drives a late model Mercedes is wealthy? I guess the people conducting the study haven't heard of low mileage leases and buying on credit.

Eric 88 Carrera 02-28-2012 11:45 AM

There is a better indicator of those who lie, cheat and steal. Look at crime rates by geographical area and voter registration. Democrat areas overwhelmingly have higher rates of crime reported. The prison population which by definition is made up of those who lie, cheat and steal is also overwhelmingly Democrat.

I though another perspective might be called for on this thread.

RWebb 02-28-2012 12:07 PM

nope - that just tells you who gets caught

white collar criminals are much smarter


Jacob - that was only one component of the study

Superman 02-28-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric 88 Carrera (Post 6588946)
There is a better indicator of those who lie, cheat and steal. Look at crime rates by geographical area and voter registration. Democrat areas overwhelmingly have higher rates of crime reported. The prison population which by definition is made up of those who lie, cheat and steal is also overwhelmingly Democrat.

I though another perspective might be called for on this thread.

This sort of input is perhaps more appropriate for PARF. If this discussion were another "us against them" dispute, I'd ask for the data you used in arriving at this conclusion, and I'd suggest you look at how liberalism is correlated with income, education and a host of other progressive characteristics. Southern states are notably more conservative, and also substantially poorer and less educated. For example.

Zeke 02-28-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman (Post 6589008)
This sort of input is perhaps more appropriate for PARF. If this discussion were another "us against them" dispute, I'd ask for the data you used in arriving at this conclusion, and I'd suggest you look at how liberalism is correlated with income, education and a host of other progressive characteristics. Southern states are notably more conservative, and also substantially poorer and less educated. For example.

Did you just step in his sch!t?

Superman 02-28-2012 01:54 PM

Yeah, I guess I did. I can't help myself. My name is Jim, and I'm a disputeaholic.

PorscheGAL 02-28-2012 02:24 PM

This study doesn't work. If you read The Millionaire Next Door the most common car driven was a domestic car that was bought used not a Mercedes. Owning a Mercedes does not equal wealth.

RWebb 02-28-2012 02:27 PM

you are conflating two different things here

besides that, a mere millionaire is not wealthy these days

wdfifteen 02-28-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 6588022)
I'd bet money (if I had any) that Americans don't have a lock on this behavior.

Not by a long shot. Our glass house isn't stone resistant. Morally, we can't point the finger at everyone else until we stone proof our own digs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 6588022)
Here's the question: do they cheat and lie because they're rich (and know they can get away with it) or are they rich because they cheat and lie (socio-economic Darwinism)?

It's a little of both and some of neither. There are rich folks who worked hard, worked smart, and reaped the rewards. There are some who chose their DNA well and only had to wait for the DNA donors to die. There are some who did indeed cheat and lie to get rich. In almost every case, money put them in a position of power, from which they could assure that the rules tended to keep them and their heirs wealthy.

JJ 911SC 02-28-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PorscheGAL (Post 6589278)
... Owning a Mercedes does not equal wealth.

It does, for the bank...

Zeke 02-28-2012 02:37 PM

Again, the article linked does not mention just what wealthy or rich means.

From the article:

“We’re definitely not suggesting that any upper-class person … is going to be less ethical than every lower-class person. You need to be cautious in terms of applying these findings to predict the behaviour of a single individual,”

Read more: CTV News | Cheat, lie, break the law? Chances are, you're rich

mikesride 02-28-2012 02:47 PM

Where I live driving a Mercedes means you own a Chinese restaurant....

JJ 911SC 02-28-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesride (Post 6589326)
Where I live driving a Mercedes means you own a Chinese restaurant....

OK, I'll take a Combo 2 with an Egg Foo Yung 如此做它 :)

tabs 02-28-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC (Post 6589305)
It does, for the bank...

Acht Zooooo.....People who drive MB;s never get rich because they never finish paying off the bank.

wdfifteen 02-28-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 6589471)
Acht Zooooo.....People who drive MB;s never get rich because they never finish paying off the bank.

I always paid cash for mine. I made the mistake of leasing a BMW (I am SO glad that POS is gone). When/if I decide I need something besides my pickup and my toys I'm gonna pay cash for a Camry or Accord.

PorscheGAL 02-28-2012 04:39 PM

If this website sells parts for high-end cars like in the study, then logic follows that it facilitates the behavior of these type of individuals through movement.

Then the following questions arise:

Does this forum and website facilitate the behavior of people that lie and cheat?

Do the vendors that advertise on the website empower the people that lie and cheat?

Does this mean that this forum and the website is a cause of this behavior?

Does this mean that by purchasing parts from this website that I'm helping a business that empower the people that lie and cheat?

pwd72s 02-28-2012 05:05 PM

Quite the conflict, eh Stephanie? Funny post...I dig your tongue in cheek.

Randy thinks he's on a roll, but he really should leave the class envy & hatred schtick to the professionals inside the beltway.

RWebb 02-28-2012 05:14 PM

I prefer biscuits, Paul. Not sure what you're talking about anyway...

Hugh R 02-28-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 6589285)
besides that, a mere millionaire is not wealthy these days

I agree, that is why they shouldn't be paying those additional taxes. Again, lets not confuse a net worth of a million with a salary of a million.

PorscheGAL 02-28-2012 05:39 PM

Rwebb, does the post below prove what you posted?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/601929-thinking-trading-wifes-boxster-get-new-car-cls55-amg-anyone.html

I think it proves just the opposite of what you believe.


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