Rant: Local LE REFUSED to respond
 

Buddies cars were broken into, vandalized, and stereo and stuff taken. Doors were checked but they left that stuff alone. Vandalized the property. Know exactly who they were. They were all captured (three males) on video with very clear pictures. Obviously all three were engaging in the activity. Again, everything captured on video with very clear photos.

Issue? Buddies neighbor is local LEO. Their kids do not get along so families do not talk.

Local LE informed my buddy they would not have anything to do with the damage to his personal property. I do not understand what their rational was but they refused to come take a report, accept video showing the perps, basically do anything. His insurance will not cover without a police report and they do know who did the deed.

I'm rather upset and I do NOT have a dog in this fight other than this being some friends.

I've suggested he contact the State Police in order to file a report on the damages so he can file a claim with insurance AND file a complaint on the local LE with the state inspectors.

The family believes the neighbor LEO has something to do with a lack of response from the locals. I do not know how/why they feel this but the fact is, locals refuse to do anything even with timestamped video demonstrating the deeds.


Yep, zombies are taking over everywhere.....

Police are NOT required to respond. They have no duty to protect you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

There's also "Warren v. District of Columbia".

All the more reason why it is essential for us to protect ourselves, our own property and our loved ones.

is the cop county or town pd, david? up in northern indiana...the county guys just love to crush the town cops.

Mike, they live in a town just outside of Indy. I'd rather not post too accurate a piece of information.

Must be someone he can escalate to.

Chief of Police.

Mayors office.

Get a piece run in the local paper.

Call the state troupers or county Sherrif.

IMHO, your best bet is the County Sheriff or State Police.

Hmmm, just talked to them. Seems about six other vehicles were broken into as well. He is the only one with video of the perps. Maybe he and the neighbors can pool together and get something done?

Good times.....

TELL HIM TO CONTACT HIS STATE REPRESENTIVE OR CONGRESSMAN!
Sorry for the caps but that was necessary.

If he contacts his state rep or congressman, they will call the mayor. The mayor's office will ask the chief of po'lice wuz up. He doan don't like that and will tell the po-po's to do their job.
They doan like the heat from the big boss and don't want to get repremanded and will quit-the-sheet.

I know, I've seen me do it before.
I've called my elected o'ficial many times for help after exhausting all other means and have been happy with the result every time.
One time a local asshat clown first-day-on-the-job pulled over my daughter in her new car. Well it wasn't new, my wife had bought it a few days earlier from a local dealer. Anywho the registration details were in the front window, she had all the purchase papers in the glove box that showed that all DMV registration fees were paid, the corksucker didn't care and gave her a ticket for expired registration.
Now that's a fix-it ticket but still carries a $25 court filing fee.
I called the popo office and beotched, they didn't care about me or my little problem.
I called my state rep and it was all taken care of, including an oppology.

See this is how it works: They like getting elected. To do that costs money. Votes are expensive.
They have staffs.
They tell their staff members to make some phone calsl, drop some names, write a letter, call in a favor etc. That doesn't cost the rep anything and in return, he or she is almost guranteed to get your vote and your family's vote and everyone you tell's vote.
It's the easiest and cheapest way to get votes and they are usually more than happy to help.

agree with above

- they want more tax dollars and this is one way to get it

Contact the state police. File a formal complaint.

Contact the local media. Seems redonkulous that the local PD won't respond.

This is why folks tell the 911 operators that there is a gun during an incident when there isn't - to get the response.

Still, if your friend has a positive ID via video and knows who they are he can probably take them to Civil Court where the burden of proof is much lower than criminal court anyway. Just a thought...

When dealing with a situation like this it is best to know who has jurisdiction over whom. State police exist for a function and it may very well may be that they have little jurisdiction over the local police.

Now, the federal police are a different matter. But that might not be appropriate here....yet.

The people to call are the state attorney general. If a crime has been committed and the locals won't do anything, the state will. As long as a state law has been violated.

Of course any communication or transport of goods or suspects over state line will automatically bring this to the FBI.

Play the game well.

i think its time to call..........CHARLES BRONSON!

Sammy, you are starting to write like OJU, good idea though, especially if it is an election year for them.

I would stir up as much stuff as possible, and make it known what my suspicions are about the neighbor obstructing justice. That is a crime, nice when the cops are criminals, like the chief in SF, wife beater, witness intimidator, etc.

no sammy is starting to write like me..............................



heres my take on this crap. a crime WAS committed. it was even on video which is el supremo when and if it gets to court. but in the mean time i would call and VISIT EVERYONE from top to bottom or bottom to top whatevar yer modus operendi.


why? because the squeaky wheel gets the GREASE!


and heres the bottom line civil side or criminal side with budgets cut..........their "in" baskets are FULL to the BRIM! the quicker they can solve a civil or criminal case, they get lil stars next to their names and usually a raise. and as we all know...........everyone loves a raise and lil stars.


and then if all else fails............don the the 'ol NEEEEN-JA(ninja) suit, grab yer nun-chuks, and BECOME NEEN-JA VIGILANTE! if no neenja suit available.........then call CHARLES BRONSON!

I agree. My statement was made based on my state of residence, in which the State Law Enforcement Division trumps all lower level police departments (county or local) and also has the authority and duty to investigate allegations of wrongdoing, misconduct, nonfeasance / malfeasance, etc.

[by "state police" I don't mean the state patrol]


Another source of recourse may be the Office of the State Attorney General. Then again, this office may just have the duty to cover the state's ass.

Maybe they don't have the manpower.
In the county north of me the sheriff announced that on weekends they would not respond to property crimes because they were too busy with bodily harm crimes. The reason would probably send this thread to PARF, so I won't explain why.

Houston police usually won't come out for a car burglary, you have to go to the police station to file a report. BTDT.

Hmmmm. Conversation with them this morning (they are BOTH Engineers if you can imagine such people marrying and reproducing ;-)

Neighborhood meeting with Mayor.

Insurance company attorneys have now been in contact and REALLY REALLY want video. If nothing else, Ins Co will cover their own rears!

Oh, multiple thousands of dollars in damage on at least this block.

On a side note, I wonder if this has been happening in other nearby neighborhoods? Wonder if Ins. Co's will now go after these three for all the local issues? But we'll never know...

David,

Last time I spent the night in Houston two kids broke into my truck and stole less than a dollar in change, my coat, and some books and items I had owned for up to 30 years. Cops actually caught the two as they were leaving my truck and I was arriving with my .38 I was taking to the range with my buddy, yes I was just leaving for the range carrying range bags. I'd be willing to bet that was the better outcome for all parties.

Police refused to release my items to me (even the old books) but made the kids pay restitution for full replacement value of everything. I was financially able to buy new but it just is not the same thing being made financially whole versus having your same items back. Guess the kids got to keep all my stuff.

David

a meeting
how sweet...beer provided ?


give copy to the local TV station..
to help the 'community' be aware of 2 things..
1 who to look out for..
2 to let them no the police don't care..


Rika

Around here, several law enforcement agencies from municipal to county level have announced that they will no longer investigate property crimes involving less than $10,000 in value. They cite manpower and funding cutbacks in an attempt to justify this. Yet, at the same time, they have no trouble manning speed traps with half a dozen officers, or more.

Granted, many of those highly staffed speed traps are run by our State Patrol and have nothing to do with county or municipal departments. The latter two certainly do run their fair share of them, however. Particularly on weekends, when no doubt many of the officers manning these speed traps are pulling overtime to do so.

And the police wonder why there is so much disrespect, distrust, and outright disdain for them among the people they "serve" and "protect". With Seattle cops making the local headlines almost daily for their unabashed thuggery (and the special Mayor's council formed to address this (in response to a scathing DOJ report on their "culture of violence") now falling apart), with departments announcing they will no longer investigate property crimes below a certain value, and with very visible speed traps just about everywhere we drive, is it really any wonder?

Be happy nobody died:
Berkeley man bludgeoned to death requested quick police response, transcript shows - San Jose Mercury News

Yep, that is scary. My 1st wife was also an Engineer...sort of...she was fired for incompetance, so maybe it doesn't count ;)

And those who know my story of the crazy eyed chick, she was also an engineer...

If I were a policeman in Indiana, I'd be very selective about responding to calls from homeowners.

Indiana House approves bill covering police entering homes | POLL » Evansville Courier & Press

During the Bernard Goetz issue in the NYC subways 25 or so years ago, George Will had an OP-ED in the WSJ in which he said society makes a deal with law enforcement, they enforce the law and we don't act as vigilantes.

I would too. Indiana already has legalized murder, now it's legalized murder of LEOs. I wonder what makes Rep. Pierce “ ... not concerned that we’re going to suddenly have meth-heads sitting in their La-Z-Boy with their shotgun and SB 1 in their hand.” Seems to me that's exactly what they can expect. Meth heads aren't exactly rational to begin with, now they've got legal cover.

meth is the biggest export from the county in which I reside.... LE is shutting down about one lab every other day around Bloomington/Monroe County (not where I reside but not too far away either) according to the news.

I hadn't heard of that law. It sounds ridiculous.

What is ridiculous? A LEO needs a warrant to enter a house uninvited. A Homeowner has a right to defend his property.

Wow - I honestly cannot believe what I just read. A state legislature doing what is morally correct for its citizens and drawing the line on illegal entry into their homes by the police. Maybe there is still some hope after all.

Hugh, it seems to me that if LEO fail to uphold their end of the social contract, we will be seeing a lot more "frontier justice," and things will get ugly really fast. Especially when the government checks stop going out when the dough to pay them is no longer available to borrow.

Call the Police and tell them you shot the perps, they'll be there in a matter of minutes.

When they show up, dont find any bodies and state "you said you shot them", hand them the video and tell them, yes, "I shot a VIDEO of them".

i had a cop tell a friend..to say, "i think i saw them carrying guns". cops show up in a hurry.

i have never tried it.

not true - they only need a warrant sometimes

First of all, the governor who signed the law, supposedly "after close inspection", admits that it will virtually never justify a citizen shooting a police officer. Governor Daniels said "in the real world, there will almost never be a situation in which these extremely narrow conditions are met” . So the legislature passed, and the governor signed, a law purely for political appearances. That is already a bad thing.

Next, most people will not closely inspect the law. I spent nearly 20 minutes searching for the text of the law or an accurate description of it. Most people won't do that. Most people will think it means exactly what you yourself just said:

"A LEO needs a warrant to enter a house uninvited. A Homeowner has a right to defend his property."

So, here is the state of the law in Indiana, as far as the average person knows. If a police officer is entering my home, and I think he doesn't have a warrant, I can shoot him dead to "defend my property". Repeat: I can kill a police officer for entering my property without a warrant.

Does that not strike you as ridiculous?

Remember the case where the SWAT team broke into the wrong house? What if a cop forces himself into the wrong house accidentally at 3am and the owner shoots him also on mistaken identity? Guess what, homeowners going to jail NO MATTER WHAT. Doesn't matter how wrong the cop is....

One cry of "police" outside your front door does not clearly identify to the homeowner that it's legit.

This situation terrifies me....

In that case in GA where the old lady shot back (hers was the wrong address), they killed her and THEN planted drugs on her too. Cops went to jail over that one.

I still don't see how this iN law has anything to do with cops refusing to investigate a very easily solveable crime.