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look 171 04-07-2012 11:25 PM

Why do you lob a grenade instead of actually throwing them?
 
Accuracy, distance, safety?

slodave 04-07-2012 11:26 PM

I thought it had something to do with weight and throwing your arm out. Never lobbed one though, so what do I know. :D

mikeesik 04-07-2012 11:30 PM

Lobbing is an arc. which buys time.
Throwing is moreso a straight line-direct- and quicker!

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mixer911 04-07-2012 11:51 PM

Just a guess ,a throw has a back arc,might become dislodged and become friendly fire.
Always wondered why a hele needs a spotlight with night vision?

mikeesik 04-07-2012 11:59 PM

I know this by the awesome parentless dirt lump fights I endured!

Flieger 04-07-2012 11:59 PM

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notmytarga 04-08-2012 12:00 AM

I would say that the fuse timing would allow a quickly thrown gernade to be thrown right back. Best to land/explode coincidentally!

mixer911 04-08-2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeesik (Post 6673804)
I know this by the awesome parentless dirt lump fights I endured!

You must of had crayon's ,you didn't make charts and graphs

wdfifteen 04-08-2012 04:28 AM

lob = high arc to go over obstacles. Obstacles between you and the exploding grenade are good things.

Joeaksa 04-08-2012 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 6673896)
lob = high arc to go over obstacles. Obstacles between you and the exploding grenade are good things.

Understatement...

willtel 04-08-2012 05:11 AM

Weight. Pick one up sometime and try to trow it like a baseball.

sc_rufctr 04-08-2012 05:19 AM

Safety... If you throw it you may drop it near by by mistake. Lobbing is much safer because the whole action is slower.

I'm ex regular Army. They told us that at basic training and again on my corporals course.

azasadny 04-08-2012 06:48 AM

I carried grenades during Desert Storm but was never in a situation that required lobbing one ( good thing ). Those grenades are heavy!

stomachmonkey 04-08-2012 07:12 AM

When you throw something it has forward momentum and may not stay where it first lands.

When you lob stuff it tends to stay put where it lands.

Jim Bremner 04-08-2012 07:49 AM

chinese soldier almost killed himself with a grenade - YouTube

shadowjack1 04-08-2012 08:08 AM

It all depends. Lob,more like a pust as in a shot put throw. Lob a grenade when outside for the most part. When you throw a grenade into a house, you want to throw it hard so it will bounce off walls, skid around the room and not allow the other guy to pick it and throw it back out.
As a young Marine in Viet Nam i threw a grenade into a houch, really hard, the effing thing came out the other side.

sc_rufctr 04-08-2012 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowjack1 (Post 6674116)
It all depends. Lob,more like a pust as in a shot put throw. Lob a grenade when outside for the most part. When you throw a grenade into a house, you want to throw it hard so it will bounce off walls, skid around the room and not allow the other guy to pick it and throw it back out.
As a young Marine in Viet Nam i threw a grenade into a houch, really hard, the effing thing came out the other side.

Thank you for your service.

Hugh R 04-08-2012 08:39 AM

Hold it hard, don't "milk it", straight arm lob, only lobbed one once in my life in the USMC, in training.

fred cook 04-08-2012 08:46 AM

Lob a grenade
 
A frag grenade weighs a couple of pounds and is not perfectly round, rather an oblong shape. When I was in the Seabees (1969-71) we were sent to Camp LeJune for heavy weapons training that included instructions in the art of throwing a hand grenade. We were instructed to place the grenade in the palm with the spoon towards the hand, grasp the grenade firmly, pull the pin with the opposite hand, bring the grenade hand back to a position by the head (real comforting feeling there!), extend the other hand forward for balance and then extend the grenade hand rapidly in a forward/upward motion, releasing the grenade at about 2/3rds arm extension. This motion allowed most people to throw it further and in an arc so that it would 1) allow the fuse to partially burn before arriving and 2) allow it to drop into foxholes or other defensive positions. The Vietnam era frag grenades had an 8-10 second burn time so you did not want the enemy to have time to scoop it up and toss it back! Using this method, most people could throw a grenade 40-50 yards and the real athletes could go almost 100 yards! This is one talent that you did not want to learn in an "on the job" training session! If you ever want to see some world record 100 yd dash runs, let someone in the group ask if anyone has seen their grenade pin!

JMPRO 04-08-2012 09:09 AM

I see the guy in the TV commerical that has a grenade land on his table at a out door cafe. He gets up and runs away. Not what I would do. I would pick it up and throw it away. My thinking is that if its going off in a flash it doesn't matter if your throwing it or running , it will get you. If you have a second or two before it goes off you can throw it faster and further than you can run. I would like to see Mythbusters test this theory.
Jerry

Hugh R 04-08-2012 09:20 AM

I don't know what the "kill zone" is from a Viet Nam era grenade is, but its certainly more than the 6-9 feet in the commercial.

JMPRO 04-08-2012 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 6674212)
I don't know what the "kill zone" is from a Viet Nam era grenade is, but its certainly more than the 6-9 feet in the commercial.

It seems I remember the kill zone from those grenades was 10 meters with a injury zone going out to 25 meters. We had shrapnel coming back to our bunker 25 meters away in training.
Jerry

Noah930 04-08-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JMPRO (Post 6674191)
I would like to see Mythbusters test this theory.

Just not with the cute chick.

Flieger 04-08-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Noah930 (Post 6674311)
Just not with the cute chick.

Well, she should be involved somehow. She can be 100 yards away and lob the grenade, camera focused on her, of course. :)

944Larry 04-08-2012 01:49 PM

Grenade-the only thing I messed with in the army that I didn't like and didn't feel safe around. The whole concept seems a little flawed to me.

kimlangley7 04-08-2012 02:13 PM

as in all things - there are multiple techniques in tossing a grenade [grag]..

most common - lob it so that it lands directly on/above the target -

In an urban setting > clearing a room - you would probablly let it "cook-off" a couple of seconds - so that when the frag is tossed into the room - only has say 2 secs before it goes off

During Desert Storm - I found 5 cases of Italian frags in the desert - me and my intreperter spent a couple of hours experimenting .. cooking them off - getting an airburst... I tossed about 75 frags that day - was much fun...

Jim Bremner 04-08-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 944Larry (Post 6674645)
Grenade-the only thing I messed with in the army that I didn't like and didn't feel safe around. The whole concept seems a little flawed to me.

This seems to me the smartest statement yet.

944Larry 04-08-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 6674688)
This seems to me the smartest statement yet.

Thanks Jim!!! SmileWavy

Hugh R 04-08-2012 07:03 PM

Let it "cook off a couple of seconds" Uh, no. At least not in a non-combat situation. I have a big piece of a Bouncy Betty in my office. I may post a pic of it if I remember next week when I'm in the office.

look 171 04-08-2012 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kimlangley7 (Post 6674679)
as in all things - there are multiple techniques in tossing a grenade [grag]..

most common - lob it so that it lands directly on/above the target -

In an urban setting > clearing a room - you would probablly let it "cook-off" a couple of seconds - so that when the frag is tossed into the room - only has say 2 secs before it goes off

During Desert Storm - I found 5 cases of Italian frags in the desert - me and my intreperter spent a couple of hours experimenting .. cooking them off - getting an airburst... I tossed about 75 frags that day - was much fun...

Cooking off some frags found in the desert? YOu are fooking nuts.

look 171 04-08-2012 10:43 PM

Isn't everyone in the military train in throwing a grenade? I am just wondering about the proper way if you had to chuck it 25-30 yard into a hole. I know I would miss the fox each and every time. That's without anyone shooting at me.

kach22i 04-09-2012 05:45 AM

Another aspect not quite covered is that if it goes off over the target mid-air in lieu of on the ground, it will have a greater kill zone or fragmentation zone.

Similar to the early atomic weapons used on Japan.

Rikao4 04-09-2012 02:02 PM

you lob it..
because as you wind up like some major league twit..
the other guy plants one in your chest..
you fall back in the hole and boom..
you have also killed your mates...

for anyone out of lob range...
use a launcher..
and there is a sweet toy out now..
the XM 25
you can dial up when you want it to explode..
paint target..
set to explode 2 feet later..

Rika

944Larry 04-09-2012 02:58 PM

We must be physic or something. Start talking about grenades and this happens.:eek:

British Boy Finds Live Hand Grenade on Easter Egg Hunt - Yahoo! News

teenerted1 04-09-2012 04:30 PM

they already did
MythBusters: It's Boom Time : Video : Discovery Channel


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