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Cannonball996 05-02-2012 11:07 AM

my old track car was a corvette, and I went through LS1 engines like crazy, had cooling and oil issues, biggest waste of time and money I have ever experienced, and would never race a GM product again.
I have been around porsche race cars my whole life, so I am a bit partial, but even the 3.4 engines when built right were/are fairly reliable.

I suppose if I were to do a swap, I would go with a rotary engine.

speeder 05-02-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 6725148)
I think you missed my point. The purpose of a non-collectable car is to DRIVE. If it doesn't drive, it has no value. It's a lawn ornament - and I don't need or want crap on my lawn, so its value is $0.

For someone who's into the whole home-junkyard business there's a different value based on what they think they can get for parts and all that, but I'm not even going to speculate since I have no interest in doing that for a living. If I were buying a whole non-running shell to use as a donor for a fix-up project or something, the dollar value would be driven by the end value of the fixed-up car and the estimated value of whatever leftover parts I could sell. Again however, I don't really have the time or the inclination to get into this. I have no desire to get into the junkyard business at this point in my life.

You're not like the usual morons who post here. You're a very special moron. :)

Because you have no interest into going "into the junkyard business", a broken car is worth $zero? :rolleyes: I suppose that if you have no interest in modern art, a Rothko or a Chagall is therefore worth $zero? You have a very fk'ed-up ticker.

There are legions of people in this country and the world who know how to fix broken cars, some even enjoy it. Wait...this whole website is basically targeted towards them. A hot car with a bad motor that is easily swapped is considered *a find* to some of us, for the right price. They are anything but worthless in that place called the real world.

Strange guy. :rolleyes:

pharlap71 05-02-2012 11:36 AM

what is so wrong with putting another engine in a P-car? We up date, back date, put in different studs, cylinders, pistons, shocks, coil overs, torsion bars, brakes, exhaust systems, ignition systems, body parts, spoilers, air dams, oil coolers, after coolers and a lot of other stuff that ain't stock. Lets face it there are a lot of ways making them better, faster, more reliable, etc. The engine is just one big modification, so unless you have one that is exactly how it came off the line..........., I realize some do have these so you can object loudly.

speeder 05-02-2012 11:39 AM

Engine swaps in dime-a-dozen Porsches don't bother me one bit, but there is not a lot of Porsche left in it afterwards. Depending on how you feel about Porsches in general, that may or may not be a problem.

speeder 05-02-2012 11:41 AM

It's like putting a powerful Kawasaki motor in a Ducati. What's the big deal? :cool:

Porsche-O-Phile 05-02-2012 11:46 AM

It's worth $0 to me since I don't want it. It might be worth a different value to someone else. Hell, there are people that spend thousands of dollars for those Feebay abominations that pop up from time to time with MM engines that blow up after 50 miles, so YMMV.

That's the point.

If you think it's worth $20k or whatever, go buy one. It'll look nice sitting up on concrete blocks in your hood in east LA as you part it out. It'll fit right into the context of that area.

onewhippedpuppy 05-02-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 6725271)
It's worth $0 to me since I don't want it. It might be worth a different value to someone else. Hell, there are people that spend thousands of dollars for those Feebay abominations that pop up from time to time with MM engines that blow up after 50 miles, so YMMV.

That's the point.

If you think it's worth $20k or whatever, go buy one. It'll look nice sitting up on concrete blocks in your hood in east LA as you part it out. It'll fit right into the context of that area.

When you blow the motor in your 911, I'll give you $0 for it.

porsche4life 05-02-2012 02:04 PM

Jeff, fine, you don't think its worth dick... So stay out, he is asking the value of the car, not what it is worth to you.....


Why you gotta piss in everyone else's cheerios man?

fastfredracing 05-02-2012 02:11 PM

Pissin' in Cheerios is what we do best here in the O.T.

speeder 05-02-2012 02:22 PM

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It's worth $0 to me since I don't want it. It might be worth a different value to someone else. Hell, there are people that spend thousands of dollars for those Feebay abominations that pop up from time to time with MM engines that blow up after 50 miles, so YMMV. <br>
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That's the point. <br>
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If you think it's worth $20k or whatever, go buy one. It'll look nice sitting up on concrete blocks in your hood in east LA as you part it out. It'll fit right into the context of that area.
Your opinion has no value. You're like someone who has suffered a head injury that made you bitter, antisocial and out of touch with reality. I do not live in East L.A., for one thing. But even if I did, it would be better than where you lived when you were here. What's it like to suck at life?

Porsche-O-Phile 05-02-2012 03:48 PM

I care so much what you think.

Don't you have some petite 95-pound Asian woman to go bully to make yourself feel big right now or something?

speeder 05-02-2012 03:50 PM

No, you'll have to do.

intakexhaust 05-02-2012 08:32 PM

Could care less whatever the rap is here but I question why the bastardized conversions always lean towards 'Cheby' motors. Why not some Ford's, Subi's, etc.? Eh' man, what you got to do is sheep it to Chip and Chop Foose and do a taco job on it.

porsche4life 05-02-2012 08:34 PM

Because the LS series motors are cheap, light, make good power, and are fairly bulletproof

Aurel 05-02-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 6726266)
Because the LS series motors are cheap, light, make good power, and are fairly bulletproof

Here is an example:

Porsche 996 gets an LS1 V8 engine transplant - Top Speed

Cannonball996 05-03-2012 06:32 AM

how is an ls1 swap cheaper and more reliable then doing a rebuild of the porsche engine?

speeder 05-03-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurel (Post 6726289)

There are some very numb nuts on these guy, and the writer of that blog. He writes that the car is going to go from its stock 316 HP to 345 HP with the LS1 conversion, then I watch the uTube video. It was a 996 turbo to begin with. :rolleyes:

So more like 415-450 HP to begin with, (depending on year and option), or 550 HP with a couple grand in upgrades. Down to 345 HP and now it sounds like a Camaro with glass-packs. Nice work.

kaisen 05-03-2012 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannonball996 (Post 6726639)
how is an ls1 swap cheaper and more reliable then doing a rebuild of the porsche engine?

Cheaper would probably depend on what happened to the original Porsche motor, and what you used for the GM transplant. If the Porsche motor was heavily damaged and you were popping in a used '98 Z28 motor that you got complete at a pull-your-own part salvage yard, it could be several thousand less. If you wrote a check and bought a crate LS7 with stand alone computer, etc the GM might be much more.

I don't think there's a tremendous difference in dependability between a 996 motor and a LSx motor. If the Porsche motor breaks, it's expensive to fix. If the GM breaks, it's cheap. A complete brand new aluminum block for a 5.7L LS1, 6.0L LS2, or 6.2L LS3 is about a grand. What's a replacement case for a 3.4?

The other piece to the puzzle is power. LSx motors come in many flavors, from 260hp 4.8L's to 505hp 7.0L's to 640hp supercharged 6.2L's.....bone stock. And the aftermarket support is unreal.if you start with a cheap used 345hp LS1 you can add cheap parts over time and end up in the 500hp range. How much would it cost to bring a Porsche 996 to 500hp without forced induction?

Also, while most focus on the peak horsepower number, the GM LSx V-8 makes significantly more torque, and much more power over a broader range of rpms. That makes a big difference on the track.

sammyg2 05-03-2012 09:08 AM

$6500. Imo.

BTW, I used to have a V8 914. Faster than stink, handled great, reliable as all get out.
Couldn't wait to sell it.

The flat six in a 996 is part of the package IMO and a V8 doesn't have the right soul.
Others will see it differently and that's perfectly OK with me.

sammyg2 05-03-2012 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by intakexhaust (Post 6726263)
Could care less whatever the rap is here but I question why the bastardized conversions always lean towards 'Cheby' motors. Why not some Ford's, Subi's, etc.? Eh' man, what you got to do is sheep it to Chip and Chop Foose and do a taco job on it.

Dimentionally the chebby small block is smaller than a furd and prolly a subey flat 4 or 6. It fits better.
For cost per HP it beats anything else around.


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