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Wdfifteen, that's much better than my idea of a DEEtroit 2-53 in my '82 but I think that 3 cylinder Kubs won't put out much more than 24 reliable hp though. It'll probably work that motor so hard that you'll lose some fuel efficiency. Beat the bushes for an old VW diesel, or TDI. Maybe a 4 cyl Kub, or Yanmar... You might even be able to squeeze a MB 5, or 6 cylinder in a Taco.
I'm looking at the path of least resistance here. My philosophy is if you're going to do something stupid, don't put a lot of effort into it. I know where this Kubota is and I know a couple of John Deere 435s that could donate their 2-53s. I'd have to, as you say, "beat the bushes" for anything else, and that sounds like effort. This will never happen anyway.
BTW I was looking at a 74 IH Scout the other day with a Perkins 6 that was installed by the Perkins US distributor back in the day. Great little truck.
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I'd really like to see a small displacement diesel in a compact or full size truck. Thing I've noticed is demand for domestic small trucks has plummeted. Are consumers buying foreign brands?

Regardless, my brother and I started building a diesel Ranger truck. He bought a 1990 Ford Ranger and I have a 2002 Ranger. We're in the process of dropping a Kubota industrial diesel engine into his truck. With a turbo, it has the same HP as the four cylinder truck, but the torque of the V6 engines. Identical engine/chassis combinations are getting 35+mpg in the city and 40+mpg on the highway at 70 mph. We're hoping to match that and do a little better by using a few aero mods.

Faced with a choice of a 35mpg diesel Ranger or 20 mpg Ford F-150, what would the public choose? I have a feeling image and comfort would win over economy.

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I believe the Tacoma dominates that market. The offerings from the domestics were pretty weak, so it's easy to see why. In the UK you can buy a HiLux crew cab 4x4 with a 4-cylinder turbo diesel that gets almost 30 MPG (converted to US). I honestly can't see how that truck wouldn't sell in the USA.

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BTW, for everyone who truly wants a small diesel car here in the US, you'll soon get your wish

General Motors is doing it. Confirmed.

They will offer a Chevrolet Cruze with a 1.7L turbodiesel
130 horspower
225 lb-ft torque
6 speed manual
3150 pounds
0-60 mph in 9.4 seconds

Already out in Europe, they're rated at 72.4 mpg UK cycle
GM is gunning for a 50+ mpg EPA freeway rating here in the US

We already have the Cruze sedan here, but they offer both a 5dr hatch and a wagon in other countries.
Hatchback diesel with a 6 speed manual. The internet forum geek holy grail.

How many of you are planning to buy one? Anyone? ......Anyone? ......Bueller??
Eric, I think a Cruze diesel WILL sell. We've had several of the gas versions and I've been reasonably impressed, it seems like a well made and nicely styled commuter appliance. If the diesel engine is well executed (hopefully GM learned from the 1980s) I think it will be a nice competitor to VW.
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Eric, I think a Cruze diesel WILL sell. We've had several of the gas versions and I've been reasonably impressed, it seems like a well made and nicely styled commuter appliance. If the diesel engine is well executed (hopefully GM learned from the 1980s) I think it will be a nice competitor to VW.
A modern diesel from GM would have absolutely no resemblance to any engine that they sold 30-40 years ago. They are selling small diesel vehicles by the boatload in other parts of the world and have been all along.
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Americans love the mpg of diesel but they dislike the fueling ritual and the high cost of maintenance.

Not many people are going to stomach a $1000 bill for a timing belt at 120,000 miles on a car that sold new for $23k. I am talking about the VW not the BMW or Mercedes diesels , I would think the maintenance would be more.

As for the 1.6l in the Passat, only a hardcore diesel nut would put up with that lack of hp. Maybe in a 2dr Golf.
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A modern diesel from GM would have absolutely no resemblance to any engine that they sold 30-40 years ago. They are selling small diesel vehicles by the boatload in other parts of the world and have been all along.
I know I know, I was just thinking back to my neighbor's Oldsmobile station wagon when I was a kid. It lunched the diesel motor with something like 40k on it, I still remember watching my friend's dad swap in a 350 in its place. GM did a lot towards killing the image of diesels in America in the '80s.
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I honestly can't see how that truck wouldn't sell in the USA.
If the price was right it would sell. But, I bet it would kill Tundra sales.

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Americans love the mpg of diesel but they dislike the fueling ritual and the high cost of maintenance.
What do you mean by fueling ritual? Filling my Diesel F250 or my Diesel BMW X5 is no different than a car.
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Every diesel pump I've used was at least partially covered in fuel. Urea in the newer models is another minor annoyance.
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That doesn't mean he's not quoting mileage ratings that aren't Imperial (UK). In fact, he IS quoting VW UK ratings
Not everyone understands the difference
The US gallon is 20% more than the Imperial gallon.

So 70 mpg Imperial = 58 mpg US

And then you have the different posted ratings of the two very different tests

So apples to oranges to bananas, to say the least....
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What do you mean by fueling ritual? Filling my Diesel F250 or my Diesel BMW X5 is no different than a car.
The pumps and ground around them are usually greasy and not in the best part of the lots.
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I hope the GM dealers learn to work on the small diesels. The chevette was never serviced by them.

I do like the cruze.
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I hope the GM dealers learn to work on the small diesels. The chevette was never serviced by them.

I do like the cruze.
They've sold and serviced over a million Duramax diesels. I think most GM dealers are now fairly well versed in the various systems that make turbodiesels tick. Essentially, the 1.7 is half a Duramax V8 but based on EcoTec gas-motor architecture. Won't be a very big leap.
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I think the check is in the mail LOL
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They've sold and serviced over a million Duramax diesels. I think most GM dealers are now fairly well versed in the various systems that make turbodiesels tick. Essentially, the 1.7 is half a Duramax V8 but based on EcoTec gas-motor architecture. Won't be a very big leap.
Based on gas-motor architecture is where GM screwed up the last time.
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Serious ? Aluminum heads on a diesel?
I think the check is in the mail LOL
Maybe your sense of internet humor is way over my head. Either that or you're a maroon.
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Serious ? Aluminum heads on a diesel?
I think the check is in the mail LOL
Mercedes, Audi, VW, and several more use aluminum heads (and block) on modern diesels. Are you still living in the seventies? Or are you seventy?


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Based on gas-motor architecture is where GM screwed up the last time.
No, the "failure" of the late-seventies/early-eighties GM diesels (5.7L) was that it was literally a converted gas block.

Architecture in this case means bore spacing, layout, accessory mount points, etc that are shared between different series of motors. Every large manufacturer does it. The diesels have their own unique castings meant for the higher duty-cycles of a turbodiesel motor. Again, just like any other brand's offerings.
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Ok, Eric I will take your word for it, but I will still wait to get in line for a GM diesel of their making.
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To answer many of the questions raised,
European cars are designed and hence geared for higher highway cruising speeds than is usual in the US and therefore achieve good cruising speed mpg because they are only doing maybe 2500rpm at highway speed(a diesel engine is most fuel efficient relative to a gas engine at low rpm). Secondly ignore the max BHP figure, most diesel drivers NEVER max their engines as its not the way to get best real-life performance: they use the superior flexibility borne of an almost flat torque curve starting from the moment the turbo kicks in(usually about 1600rpm). Also European drivers are not so hung up about 0-60 or 1/4 mile times for their daily driver cars, they are more interested in the real world 50-70, 70-90 times in top gear, which help in passing without having to drop a gear. And fuel costs megabucks in Europe, so mpg figures are vital to sales here.
People don't buy US pickup trucks here for several reasons: they are too large for urban roads, there are plenty of Japanese and European trucks that are economical and the right physical size, there are very few urban cowboys here,and pickup trucks are perceived to be used by tradesmen for there work( what a novel notion). We use estate cars, hatchbacks, SUV's and MPV's to haul our purchases thereby keeping them out of the rain and safer from thieves.
Incidentally Ford is fitting the Focus with a 1 litre turbo gas engine that makes 123hp and more torque than the old 1.6litre. Apparently tuned versions will be producing 180hp.
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The pumps and ground around them are usually greasy and not in the best part of the lots.
Yes. It's up to the stations to clean up, but manufacturers who want to sell diesels may have to push them to it. I don't like using the gas pump that's next to the diesel pump if I have decent clothes on. I can imagine a lot of people shying away from buying a diesel because of the mess at most diesel stations. This is a case where the vehicles are way ahead of the support facilities.
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