fuel Mileage and Govt ! PISSED

[afterburn 549]

VW Passat 78.5 MPG in the Uk

This is not New news to most of us....but adds to the fire

[yetibone]

Wrong forum.

[kaisen]

US gallon, or Imperial gallon?

AND, the EPA uses considerably different test procedures for their ratings than other countries

YMMV

(and please don't PARF this, even though the video is pure PARF)

[afterburn 549]

The guy is from the states...
And this is old news....The EPA in their Wisdom to runner cleaner brings on bad mileage for the most part.
In Fact they have elected to have Semi trks run some sort of EGR system..The Caterpillar shop told me to count on loosing a 1/2 a a gallon a MILE !
OUCH !

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

The guy is from the states...

That doesn't mean he's not quoting mileage ratings that aren't Imperial (UK). In fact, he IS quoting VW UK ratings
Not everyone understands the difference
The US gallon is 20% more than the Imperial gallon.

So 70 mpg Imperial = 58 mpg US

And then you have the different posted ratings of the two very different tests

So apples to oranges to bananas, to say the least....

[afterburn 549]

I do know this- A small diesel will get a small car at least 60 MPG . Old news

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I do know this- A small diesel will get a small car at least 60 MPG . Old news

Too bad there are so few Americans that are willing to buy a small diesel

But I'm with you on the premise! I'd like one.

[afterburn 549]

That is the mans point -
VW offers one, - but only 44 MPG !
My dodge diesel dually 1 ton with 410 gears weighs i think 8000 lbs gets- 22 MPG ! (if I am nice to it)
It has no EGR valve and has computerized fuel timing

[Joe Bob]

Same arguement I got from the asshats at my agency when I applied for the fuel commuter subsidy when I wanted to drive my MC instead of my car to work.....

[kaisen]

What's the man's point? That American buyers don't like the same cars as European buyers?

If enough Americans would buy small manual transmission sub-2.0L diesels that are prevalent in Europe, the manufacturers would bring them.

Understand that the new EPA regulations are just that.......NEW....but, yet, they didn't offer little diesels here in the states BEFORE those diesel clean-air regulations got tighter. Why? Because Americans didn't want them.

And they still don't.

The Japanese love their little 600cc Kei cars. Why don't we love them here?

[kaisen]

The Bluemotion 1.6 he's ranting about is UNDER 100 horsepower..... and a Passat ain't light.
It's also ONLY available with a manual transmission. The 2.0 TDI (available here, and there) has 40 more horsepower and 50 more lb-ft torque and, guess what, is rated EXACTLY THE SAME freeway mileage as the 1.6TDI. So why go through the expense of certifying it? There's almost no point.

Besides, how many Americans are going to buy a heavy car with less power than the smallest subcompact (almost every car offered in the US has more than 100hp), AND a manual transmission? Not too many.

So no big government conspiracy. Just simple market economics.

[Joe Bob]

If they will buy a Smart Car, they will buy a CHEAP, small displacement, Diesel. VWs made a killing with 36 and 40hp models.

Don't be dim, the EPA should give the consumer the option...

Calculating emissions per gallon is stupid. My boss looked at me with a straight face and told me that my 20mpg Porsche put out less emissions than my 60mpg Moto Guzzi. Fuchwad idjut....I told him to try to sell that to someone else.

I drove it anyways and parked next to him just to piss him off. He "carpooled" with his wife...got the subsidy....dork...

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

If they will buy a Smart Car, they will buy a CHEAP, small displacement, Diesel. VWs made a killing with 36 and 40hp models.

Smart is hurting, big time, in the US. They are failures in the marketplace. Period. Not many are sold. There goes that theory.

And your VW theory is ANCIENT history. Decades old. US buyers would never buy such a slow, unsafe car today.

Don't be dim, the EPA should give the consumer the option...

The EPA isn't limiting the choice. A 1.6L Bluemotion TDI would pass EPA the same as a 2.0L Bluemotion TDI. The goverment has nothing to do with it. Blame VW for not thinking there is a large enough market to cover the expense of certifying two models.

A 1.6L TDI does 0-60 in 12.5 seconds, that's slow for a car
A 2.0L TDI does 0-60 in 10.0 seconds, that's at least acceptable

AND BOTH CARS GET EXACTLY THE SAME FUEL ECONOMY AT 62 MPH

What don't you get?

The guy in the video is an idiot

[Joe Bob]

Oi...sorry, I disagree....respect my opinion.....let the US market decide.

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Smart is hurting, big time, in the US. They are failures in the marketplace. Period. Not many are sold. There goes that theory.

And your VW theory is ANCIENT history. Decades old. US buyers would never buy such a slow, unsafe car today.



The EPA isn't limiting the choice. A 1.6L Bluemotion TDI would pass EPA the same as a 2.0L Bluemotion TDI. The goverment has nothing to do with it. Blame VW for not thinking there is a large enough market to cover the expense of certifying two models.

A 1.6L TDI does 0-60 in 12.5 seconds, that's slow for a car
A 2.0L TDI does 0-60 in 10.0 seconds, that's at least acceptable

AND BOTH CARS GET EXACTLY THE SAME FUEL ECONOMY AT 62 MPH

What don't you get?

The guy in the video is an idiot

There is nothing slow about a diesel. It is a thing swallowed by those who do not know.
In fact Cummings Diesel almost Won THE iNDY 500 ONCE, they were ahead to the last. (mechanical failure ) Next year diesel was outlawed at indy.

[afterburn 549]

The 1976 Diesel Rabbit got almost 60 MPG and was naturally aspirated. Today it should get at least 80.
With turbo and computerized fuel timing .
There is way more BTU in a unit of diesel.
How ever they do not......

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

Oi...sorry, I disagree....respect my opinion.....let the US market decide.

VW has decided, based on their data and calculations, that the US isn't ready for the 1.6TDI in a Golf/Jetta/Passat sized car and a manual transmission.

There is NO legislation stopping a manufacturer from bringing in a 1.0L three cylinder turbodiesel. Or 1.4L. Or 1.6L. etc.

If the manufacturers thought it would sell, they'd offer it to the marketplace.

The manufacturers don't think there are enough Joe Bob's to make it worth their effort and expense.

End of story

[Joe Bob]

Legislation? VW decided on it's own along with Ford?

Please list citations.....

[Jim Richards]

afterburn wants more from the EPA? What next, dogs and cats sleeping together?

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

afterburn wants more from the EPA? What next, dogs and cats sleeping together?

Afterburn WANTS nothing from the EPA ! where did you get that?