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Rick Lee 06-22-2012 05:37 AM

A lot of HR depts. have a form they keep on file for former employees with two check boxes "would rehire" and "would not rehire." I want the "would rehire" to always be checked on mine.

asphaltgambler 06-22-2012 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick V (Post 6816188)
I always give notice. I am not one to burn bridges. That crap comes back to haunt you. I do however see his point.

All in here with this view as well. As an employee you 'under the thumb' of the company you work for. It is their game; you are just a player. Never burn bridges unless you just won Lotto and have millions coming your way. At some point in the next 10-12 years that person will need to use them on their resume'

By walking out it may have made them feel 'tall' that day, but will hurt them over the long haul

ossiblue 06-22-2012 07:48 AM

Just a question to clear things up for me.

Many of you mention giving the two weeks notice, being escorted out that day, and receiving two weeks pay. Others mention not getting the two weeks pay, under the same circumstances.

My question is, if you give the two weeks notice and are immediately escorted out without the two week compensation, haven't you been technically fired, at least with regards to unemployment insurance? It seems to me (someone who has no experience with this issue) that you were fired for tendering your upcoming resignation.

Advance notice is giving the employer "professional respect" in that it allows him to prepare for your departure and lets him know you intend to continue your work while the change transpires. If he has you removed and does not pay for the two weeks you intended to work, that sounds like immediate termination. I'm surely missing something here and that's why I asked the question.

biosurfer1 06-22-2012 07:56 AM

That's a good question Ossi...I wonder if that's why so many people are commenting on receiving the final 2 weeks paycheck even though they were walked. That might give an out to the company to deny unemployment benefits.

Rick Lee 06-22-2012 08:01 AM

I was going to give my two weeks notice at a job once after getting a better offer and suspecting things were going to get bad pretty soon. While driving to work that day I heard on the radio that our largest supplier had filed for bankruptcy. As I walked into the boss's office, before I could get the words out of my mouth, he said, "We're going to have to let you go." So I just kept my new job to myself and asked if he wanted me to finish out the day or week or when to leave. He told me I could leave right then. So I drove straight to the state employment commission and filed for unemployment. I had been laid off and my next job wasn't starting for about a month. I was able to collect three wks. of unemployment and heard from a former co-worker that the boss had been pretty pissed when he learned I had filed for UI, as that raises their UI rates.

When I went to quit the next job, I tried to give two weeks notice and they walked me out the door within the hour. The boss told me they wanted me to sign a statement, saying I had fudged my sales reports so they could withold my commissions. They paid commissions there based on weekly sales reports, long before the sales were actually invoiced. I refused, she crumpled the form up, threw it in the trash and I was walked out the door. And they continued to pay me for a while thereafter too.

epbrown 06-22-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by biosurfer1 (Post 6817451)
That's a good question Ossi...I wonder if that's why so many people are commenting on receiving the final 2 weeks paycheck even though they were walked. That might give an out to the company to deny unemployment benefits.

It comes down to company policy. Where I work, you can give notice of resignation but you don't get to decide how long you'll stick around. What if someone gave 6 months notice, or a year? Is the company obligated follow your schedule? Typically, you're out the door that day, period. If the higher-ups feel they need you to stick around a bit, they bring in an HR rep and you negotiate a term date (typically with a bonus for the inconvenience).

This seems a bit "cleaner" to me than the traditional 2 weeks notice. People talk about burning bridges and do not re-hire flags, but if it's company policy that you leave the day you give notice, why ding someone for not giving any? We're not talking about someone defecating on their desk and then heading out the door with a boom box blasting Johnny Paycheck while giving everyone the finger.

onewhippedpuppy 06-22-2012 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by aigel (Post 6816758)
Always give 2 weeks notice.

Many of you are very bitter. It is an abstract "they" that do things to you and the "company". What you do not see is that you have a direct supervisor, coworkers or even subordinates that may suffer if you suddenly disappear. It is those people you worry about. Those are the people you may see again in the future. Especially today, when it is so easy to stay in touch and keep track (and take care) of one-another.

Okay, and now let's talk about what "they" do when it is lay-off time. Your supervisor is generally not the one who decides how much notice or severance you get. Your line manager is probably at least as upset as the rest of the staff about losing team members - after all, what is he or she going to do without a team?

Finally, why do companies walk you out when you resign? You already mentioned the fear of taking information or goods. What you did not mention is the possibility of sabotage - directly or indirectly. Have you seen what a person can do on their way out to morale if they stop being productive and shoot the breeze just complaining about the company for 2 weeks? And of course there is the danger that they start recruiting on their way out as well. So, getting walked out is nothing personal, it is the professional thing to do from the company side - of course giving you 2 week's pay.

George

This. Most industries are pretty small worlds, you can't underestimate the impression that your departure will leave. I recently received a job offer from an engineer that I sat next to four years ago who had since left our company. He remembered our casual conversations and contacted me with a position that he felt would fit my personality. Totally random and out of the blue. I also left my current employer and returned back a few months later to a better position, that is an opportunity that would not have been available had I given no notice and burned bridges.

red-beard 06-22-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 6817576)
It comes down to company policy. Where I work, you can give notice of resignation but you don't get to decide how long you'll stick around. What if someone gave 6 months notice, or a year? Is the company obligated follow your schedule? Typically, you're out the door that day, period. If the higher-ups feel they need you to stick around a bit, they bring in an HR rep and you negotiate a term date (typically with a bonus for the inconvenience).

This seems a bit "cleaner" to me than the traditional 2 weeks notice. People talk about burning bridges and do not re-hire flags, but if it's company policy that you leave the day you give notice, why ding someone for not giving any? We're not talking about someone defecating on their desk and then heading out the door with a boom box blasting Johnny Paycheck while giving everyone the finger.

I actually had that happen in San Diego. We made the decision to move to Houston, but I was still working for Solar. Eventually it made it around that I had sold my house and bought one in Houston. They asked when I was moving and when was my date of resignation.

At first, I hadn't planned to leave. I still had a couple of bonus checks (around $30K) which were due and I knew they would not be paid if I didn't stay. Eventually, I had a discussion with HR, and set a date. I really wanted a transfer, but I wasn't getting any help from my boss. Stupid on her part, really. In 3 years, I had $15M in project savings/new product growth, which was the highest in all of Caterpillar, not just Solar Turbines. I was a great 6 Sigma project manager.

If I had stayed 4 more months, I would have recieved another project bonus (project was complete, but the payout was always 6 months afterwards), for about $10K. That one I was willing to give up. And that one was the solution to why they were having problems with all aftermarket part sales, year over year. It was potentially worth Hundreds of Millions!

azasadny 06-22-2012 10:26 AM

Very timely indeed... My wife was laid off from her teaching job on the last day of the school year today. Not good...

ossiblue 06-22-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 6817576)
It comes down to company policy. Where I work, you can give notice of resignation but you don't get to decide how long you'll stick around. What if someone gave 6 months notice, or a year? Is the company obligated follow your schedule? Typically, you're out the door that day, period. If the higher-ups feel they need you to stick around a bit, they bring in an HR rep and you negotiate a term date (typically with a bonus for the inconvenience).

This seems a bit "cleaner" to me than the traditional 2 weeks notice. People talk about burning bridges and do not re-hire flags, but if it's company policy that you leave the day you give notice, why ding someone for not giving any? We're not talking about someone defecating on their desk and then heading out the door with a boom box blasting Johnny Paycheck while giving everyone the finger.

As an outsider, this makes the most sense if the company has a written policy or one that has been made clear to all employees. It appears from most of the posts that that is not the case and the "traditional" two week notice is just that--a tradition. If there is no formal policy, written or unwritten, regarding notification of leaving employment, then the company can either terminate the employee immediately and consider that a "firing," escort the employee out immediately and pay for the remaining two weeks, or expect employees to give no advance notification without retaliation. Two weeks notice is a professional "courtesy" extended by the employee. If the company chooses not to accept it, there should be no fall-out on the employee.

Any advance notice longer than two weeks should, IMO, be negotiated.

biosurfer1 06-22-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 6817457)
I was able to collect three wks. of unemployment and heard from a former co-worker that the boss had been pretty pissed when he learned I had filed for UI, as that raises their UI rates.

You must have had a moron for a boss...who wouldn't go file for unemployment?!? Sure, you were planning on leaving but you said you kept that to yourself so how would they know?

Rick Lee 06-22-2012 11:07 AM

Well, he was notified as soon as I filed and my best friend was still working there. He probably told the boss I landed on my feet. I also got him a job with me a few mos. later.

Tobra 06-22-2012 11:26 AM

I would ALWAYS give notice.


Their poor behavior is no justification for me to behave poorly. This is true in all situations, not just employment.

941MXVET 06-22-2012 11:45 AM

Sometimes you fire your boss, sometimes you are moving to a better job. I let that be my determining factor.

Oh Haha 06-22-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by azasadny (Post 6817718)
Very timely indeed... My wife was laid off from her teaching job on the last day of the school year today. Not good...

Sorry to hear this, Art. Hopefully, it's just a temporary layoff and she'll be called back in the fall.

biosurfer1 06-22-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 6817812)
I would ALWAYS give notice.


Their poor behavior is no justification for me to behave poorly. This is true in all situations, not just employment.

But who is to say you would be behaving poorly? There is no written rule that says you have to give 2 weeks... I think most do because that is what everyone else says.

Behaving poorly could be in the eye of the beholder. You could think you're doing the right thing by giving two weeks but what if the employer really wanted more? or less? I personally had an owner (who was a jackass, admittedly) tell me he never understood giving notice because he felt once a person had mentally moved on, he didn't want to pay them 2 more weeks to sit around and do nothing. Not a lot of faith in people, that guy had:)

KFC911 06-22-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 941mxvet (Post 6817836)
sometimes you fire your boss...

+1

JJ 911SC 06-22-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by azasadny (Post 6817718)
Very timely indeed... My wife was laid off from her teaching job on the last day of the school year today. Not good...

Sorry to hear... I was wandering if you were talking about yourself at post 24.

Not sure how your system work but hopefully she was paid against 12 months vice the 10 months, so it would give her a few weeks.

Not much brighter up here for teacher but hopefully there will be a silver lining.

azasadny 06-22-2012 01:32 PM

Thanks, guys! She won't be going back to that school (local charter school), and she gets paid through mid August, but school districts around here aren't actively hiring, so it will be a challenge.

My employment status may also be changing... More on that later...

Hugh R 06-22-2012 02:24 PM

I believe there are 14 people who do what I do in the United States, I'd give two weeks, all our bosses meet monthly.


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