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For my taste, the 996 needs deep wheels and a body kit, otherwise they're pretty plain jane.

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Old 06-22-2012, 05:39 AM
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Do you realize how many shelter dogs you could adopt if you bought a used Kia instead?
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Fastfred aint rolling in any KIA's or Hyundai's. I would rather keep my beat up Jeep.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:26 AM
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It is only "cheap" until the motor blows. Then you will owe money on a boat anchor. If you cannot afford a GT3 or TT keep driving a Jeep.

How was that?

For me the fried egg headlamps and the slab sided ford probe look kill it. I'd rather drive a Jeep, no kidding.

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Still a few other failure modes to worry about ...

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Please do enlighten the heathens in your midst that enjoy the water cooled Porsches about the superior nature of the air cooled cars. You know, like the 915 gearboxes that shift like a dump truck and eat syncros, or the A/C system that does a great job as ballast on the back end, or the pulled head studs, or the continual leaks of the lower valve covers, or the leaking valve stem seals, or the joy of fixing a CIS system. Maybe you can enlighten us about how "affordable" it is to rebuild a 915 or air cooled motor, either of which could be required before your car hits 100,000 miles? You could also contrast this your "impartial" comparison with how many of these terrible water cooled cars that you've owned. You have owned some, right?


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Looks like your typical japanese coupe farkin horrible looking.
Ummm, you know that's a joke?
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:48 AM
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I've owned five waterpumpers (996x4 + 986x1) and think they're the best sports car deal going. You can drive one daily year round just as easily as a Camry, then take it to the track and wipe that smug smile off of the face of the aforementioned air-cooled fanboy as you hand him his ass. They are very well made, easy to maintain, very reliable, and a blast to drive. Excellent power from an engine that has a lot of power and sounds fantastic, 25 MPG on the highway, a gearbox that shifts like a modern car, hand of God brakes like all Porsches, cold A/C/cruise control/etc, and a really good balance between ride and handling. None of mine had the IMS done, if it worries you drop the $600 so you can sleep better at night. Good deals can be had on cars around 60k or 90k, the service is nearly $2k at the dealership but only about $200 worth of parts from Pelican, it's a great negotiation tool.

I hate these threads because they make me appear to dislike the air cooled cars, which couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is that the air cooled cars have their fair share of flaws, a fact that is conveniently forgotten when it's 996 bashing time.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:59 AM
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Excellent power from an engine that has a lot of power.
Yes, but does it have good power?
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The air heads will always poop and any thread about the water-pumpers...

But for those of us on a tight budget the 996 is a great bargain:





These are pics of the real car... not some goofy kit car previously posted.
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Yes, but does it have good power?
LOL, it's double the good!
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:14 AM
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I really like them in white. Great looking cars and 2002 forward make nice drivers.

What's the engine faiilure rate?
Old 06-22-2012, 09:36 AM
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:14 AM
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The air heads will always poop and any thread about the water-pumpers...

But for those of us on a tight budget the 996 is a great bargain:




These are pics of the real car... not some goofy kit car previously posted.
How about this:



Missing that nice front bumper / air ducting, looks like a boxster ...


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Old 06-22-2012, 10:19 AM
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Please do enlighten the heathens in your midst that enjoy the water cooled Porsches ....
Dude - lighten up - the OP asked to be talked out of a 996. In the Off Topic forum. I am trying. You water pumper fanboys are not trying and fastfred will be driving a mitsubishi eclipse soon!
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:24 AM
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Do you really want to drive one of these?

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:36 PM
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You could look for a 996 turbo. And get the 930 fix in a more modern ride with the comforts. Avoiding the IMS/RMS issues and still spend just a little more than the 930 you were thinking about before. A bit more $s than the base 996. But would look so much better out front at the shop. MY 2cents.

Cheers Richard
Old 01-28-2013, 12:54 PM
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This thread is only 7 months old. So Fred, did you buy one?
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:55 PM
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Nope, I bailed for now. I was not even finished building my 930 when I posted this, and I think I was getting restless. Although , I did come close to pulling the trigger on one car. I bought a Duramax dually instead , and I'm going to grab up a big 30ish foot travel trailer this spring, maybe take the family across the country.
My future ownership of a 996/997 is inevitable though.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:04 PM
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Do you really want to drive one of these?

Yes please as long at it is Sally.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:17 PM
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:39 PM
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He is busy swapping engines on 300k mile ford trucks for his buddy.

Good practice!

Looks like it may have happened to me!

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Buy one with a blown motor for chump change, put an LS engine into it.

Drive the ever-luvin'-dog-snot out it!!! Make sure you throw rooster-tails of peeled-up tarmac when you go past the sneering purists!

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