I missed this one earlier John. Honestly I've shelved the autocross ambitions for now with kids' activities, work, projects around the house, and spending every Sunday boating with the family. There's just not enough time right now. If I did have time then either the RX8 or the 911 could easily satisfy that goal.

Kurt, will do!

i like it!!

what is that sticker on the front fender? my monitor blows..

Same here. My 85 model is getting long in the tooth. Tried getting some used stuff off of Pelican and it just aint gonna make it...

I'll let you guys know when I pull the trigger. I'm still shopping around right now.

It says "Porsche Club Racing" and has the Porsche crest. With the RSR bumpers and wing it seems fitting, though I'll remove it if I go back to a more stock look.

I've still got my stock steering wheel stashed away, but saw this Momo on another CE I looked at prior to my purchase (I would have pulled the trigger, but was 1 day too late). Here's a Momo Club...goes well w/ the CE interior imo:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1346094847.jpg

Did you have a pack of smokes and wearing sunglasses?

Nice car! The Targa is such a unique body style - a body style on a car with an already unique exterior. Makes for a cool car. Great color, too!

Uh - who told you this?

DUDE! Don't believe everything you read on the internet! ;) :cool:

Take care!

Congrats on a nice new project. Time to sell the Miserati.

Always a shame to see someone drop all that effort and $$$ making a targa a track car. I would assume this helped with the pricing. Along with the "rode hard and put away wet" look.

I'd put it back to stock as far as possible. I would really lose the big brakes for stock ones. That will free up some $$$ in the used car section for wheels and brakes. The brake take-offs from the new brake owner could be used for trade-in. Carreras have plenty of stock brakes for street driving and AX. Only if you get serious on the big track will it benefit from more brakes.

I also am not a big fan of that engine compartment. I'd put that back closer to stock with black wires and lose the sticker(s).

I am not quite sure how serious this guy really was on this car - it looks a little cobbled - i.e.it has headers but the a/c compressor is still installed? Again, I am sure that helped with the price and if anyone can get this in top shape again, it will be you!

I have to say, I am a little jealous. I have been a big Targa hater but since I have my coupe fix I have been jonesing for a ragtop. I have been wondering if a Targa would fit the bill. LOL!

G

I don't know if I'd necessarily call the car cobbled together, everything that the PO did was absolutely top notch. His philosophy regarding racing was that he just wanted to have fun and compete, but didn't want to make the hardcore compromises required to make it a class winning car. Hence the A/C in place, he didn't want to gut the car and make it uncomfortable for the next owner.

I haven't had a huge amount of time for the 911, so I've just done a few small things thus far. The cage is out, back half of the interior is gutted, I've removed the RSR tail and front splitter, removed the rockers (torn on the look), and gave it a good cleaning. I do need to rid myself of the Maserati so I have more time.

for shame on you updating the thread w/o pics!

Ask and you shall receive.

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Definitely better without the wing, but it bothers me that the "Carrera" script is too low.

Many CEs (mine included) had the Carrera "emblem delete" option...saves weight on the back end :D. Matt, I didn't go back through this thread, but what happened to the CE Diamond Blue Fuchs (and were they 15" or 16"). I've got the 15" Fuchs, and they still fit over my 930 calipers/rotors.

I have the Fuchs, but per the PO they don't fit over the 993TT brakes.

Better, but still a Frankenstein. Why did you take the rockers off?

I would take off those horrid bumpers front and back and return to stock with a stock location outlet muffler and stock location fender oil cooler (driver's side added if needed). The gaps are terrible on the fiberglass in the front and the rear is cut up for the exhaust, not well color matched and also not well aligned.

:D

You're the one that was posting something for the "purists". :)

And yes, delete the carerra script and fill in those holes already!

G

If you are looking for OEM Sliverknit, I'd check out World Upholstery and/or GAHH. It's been a while, but I've orderd stuff from both of them in the past with good results/service.

Oh, and nice score Matt! :cool:

Not just yet.;)

You're killing' me Smalls!

Fact is its always going to be a bastard, and I'm ok with it. The suspension is totally reworked, brakes are 993TT front and 928S4 rear, the engine is modified, etc. I have the stock bumpers and I'm not a big fan, I'll probably tinker with the front alignment then have them resprayed when I do the deck lid. The rear bumper would look great with a dual outlet muffler. And yes, in true CE form I'll probably go sans Carrera badge.

If you need some stock 16's let me know... I have the original set off of my '85 Targa that I am not using.

I think I already said this earlier in the thread, but let me spell it out for you one more time:

- The car will be worth more with stock components installed back
- You can on top of that sell the ugly bits for serious $$$!
- Nobody will pay less for the car because it has a hopped up engine or suspension
- People will pay less if it looks like a bastard

WWAD? (What would aigel do?):

- Sell brakes and replace with stock. Work a trade in of stock components if you can.
- Install fuchs, sell whatever it has on there now
- Sell front and rear bumpers and reinstall orignials
- Put back rockers
- Clean up engine bay - put back black wires, remove autothority sticker, paint fan housing and fan stock. If you can, sell MAF and install stock unit. You'll live with 10hp less (if that!). Fix A/C.
- Install SSI with single outlet sport muffler (i.e. Dansk) and backdate heat.
- Install stock steering wheel or non-race momo
- Move gauges back into correct position
- Remove electrical cut off switch and patch / repaint cowl
- patch / repaint decklid
- Clean up stock seats and keep

After the above, I don't see how the car is a bastard any more? It will be for the PURISTS! It will be a stock carrera with an engine rebuild using speed parts and a stiffer suspension!

Just my two cents! I know, by now you are tired of me, so I'll stop, I promise! ;)

Have fun with it whatever you decide!

G

Ahh, if you do the above, and not sure that I would recommend it, can I be first in line for the brakes? :)

From your perspective Aigel, you're right. The car is worth more to you stock.:)

But to some it would be worth more with the tasteful mods still installed. My plan is somewhere in the middle, as I've always wanted a Porsche hot-rod anyway. With the work that's already been done to the car, it's easy to create a cohesive theme of a hot street/autoX/DE car. My comments to your comments:

- Sell brakes and replace with stock. Work a trade in of stock components if you can.
I'M PLANNING ON KEEPING THE BRAKES. SORRY JOE.:p
- Install fuchs, sell whatever it has on there now
THE HRE WHEELS ARE GROWING ON ME. IT'S TEMPTING TO REFINISH THE CENTERS IN DIAMOND BLUE, ALA THE ORIGINAL CE FUCHS. I MAY SELL THE FUCHS SINCE I CAN'T USE THEM.
- Sell front and rear bumpers and reinstall orignials
THE BUMPERS FIT MY THEME, THOUGH THE PAINT COULD BE MUCH BETTER.
- Put back rockers
STILL TORN ON THIS ONE. IT LOOKS GOOD FROM SOME ANGLES BECAUSE IT MATCHES THE BUMPERS, BUT ROUGH FROM OTHERS. FILLING THE HOLES WOULD HELP A LOT.
- Clean up engine bay - put back black wires, remove autothority sticker, paint fan housing and fan stock. If you can, sell MAF and install stock unit. You'll live with 10hp less (if that!). Fix A/C.
THE RED WIRES ARE NOLOGY HOT WIRES, AGREE ON THE FAN HOUSING, I HAVE NO GOOD REASON TO REMOVE THE MAF. I AM PLANNING ON FIXING THE A/C, IF NOTHING ELSE SO I CAN ENJOY DRIVING IT. ALSO PLANNING TO BACKDATE THE HEAT, AS THE BLOWER IS ALREADY GONE.
- Install SSI with single outlet sport muffler (i.e. Dansk) and backdate heat.
I'M WAITING ON A CAT BYPASS PIPE THAT I'VE ORDERED, THEN I'LL BE REINSTALLING THE OEM HEAT EXCHANGERS AND MUFFLER. I'LL BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A SET OF SSI AND A SPORT MUFFLER, BUT I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT STUFF TO BUY RIGHT NOW.
- Install stock steering wheel or non-race momo
AGREE, OEM WHEEL FOR NOW.
- Move gauges back into correct position
I'LL REORIENT BASED ON THE NEW WHEEL. ALSO PROBABLY INSTALL THE LED LIGHTING UPGRADE.
- Remove electrical cut off switch and patch / repaint cowl
MAYBE, BUT IT GOES WITH MY THEME. ALSO AN INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE THEFT DETERRENT.
- patch / repaint decklid
AGREE
- Clean up stock seats and keep
AGREE

I also have new spring plate bushings, plugs, valve adjustment, all new fluids, belts, new carpet, reinstalling the original door and quarter panels, brake pads, brake/clutch bleed, and probably some other stuff that I'm forgetting on my to-do list. I've already bought new floor mats and nice new RE11 tires, which are very good BTW.

For an aggressive look, don't reinstall the rockers. Mine will come off when I repaint the car.

A cat bypass is a great option, especially for a hotrod because SSI's are a touch too small for optimal high RPM breathing. The bypass is much cheaper, easy to install, and allows a beautiful sound.

Finally, sell both sets of wheels and get a set of 7's and 8's X 16" Fuchs. IMO, they are the hallmark visual on these cars.

Great project. Look forward to seeing where it goes. :)

Hal, I'm a big Fuchs fan as well. I like them better than the HRE wheels, though those are growing on me. I may swap them later down the road, though I would need to insure that my brand new tires would work on work on a 7/8 set, as my HREs are 8/9.

Matt, you may find that big rubber on 8's up front may be too big for comfortable street driving. Several guys I talked to that went that route, rolled back to 7's with 205/55 sizes.

That's certainly a possibility, though at the moment I don't have any complaints. What was their primary complaint? Too heavy steering?

Yeap, VERY heavy steering. FWIW, I have 7's and 205/55 x 16 up front on my SC and it is to my taste just about perfect for street. But on track, I think the 225/50's would be better.

Interesting. I don't have a baseline to compare it to, but even with the smaller diameter MOMO wheel the steering isn't any heavier than I remember my non-power steering 1970 911T or my 951. It's heavy at very low speeds, but quickly lightens up while driving. I'm thinking that the original wheel will probably make it very livable.

Matt, don't fool yourself, you'll be selling this in 1 year or less. Another opportunity will present itself that needs the funds! That's where my suggestions come from. Maximize your returns. :)

Keep us posted!

G

Probably, but my projects are often a balance between fun and profit. I'm sorta like the crack dealer that also enjoys the product.:cool: Don't smoke what you sell!

+1 on the wheels. Sorry Matt but those HRE wheels are hideous. I would reinstall the rockers and keep the car visually as stock as possible.

I say 8 months. Tops. :)

First of all, I hadn't driven my 85 targa (protomotive turbo, 22/29's, Polybronze, late sways, sport shocks, 17x9&10's, Fuchs centers,bbs outers) for around 2 yrs due to a combination of health and personal issues. Took it out today, and instant smile-nothing, absolutely nothing, feels like a properly set up aircooled 911. Other cars are faster, more competent, etc, but in terms of driver reward, its at the top of the class. Made me remember why I put up iwth the sweat and tears in the first place.

I'd not worry about 225's on the front. I have a MOmo comp wheel, and while the steering isn't power steering light at low speeds, its ideal over the road. Yes, the gauges need to be oriented properly to work, so what.

I'd ditch the HRE's-I had the same wheels on mine before I got the bastard fuchs-the Fuchs look more appropriate. I would go to 17's just for tire choice-either a set of custom wheels usng real Fuchs centers or a quality replica.

Keep the MAF. Run the least restrictive exhaust that you can-my turbo setup has no real muffler to speak of, just a dynopack drag muffler and some no brand resonator that I picked up-yes, its loud, but in a good way, deep guttural loud, and its not like I drive the car for anything but pleasure.

If I didn't only drive the car hard, I'd want softer torsions, as the ride quality does really suffer, but the car is freaking laser sharp as set up-I left my monoballs at the ex's during the divorce and never installed them, and do miss that.

Anyway, enjoy, its a purchase you won't regret.

Pretty unanimous feedback on the HREs, I don't think they're THAT bad.:)

Greg, thanks for the feedback. I'm going from headers and Phase 9 race mufflers to the stock HEs, cat bypass, and stock muffler. I'll also change the chip, as the car came with an Autothority chip optimized for a stock exhaust with cat bypass. Long term I'd like to at least add a sport muffler, I've read a lot of feedback that the stock 3.2 HEs flow pretty well with a cat bypass and low restriction muffler. My current setup is LOUD and pretty obnoxious at low RPMs, it does sing nicely when you rev it though.

Why is this thread not in the 911 tech forum, Matt? It's not OT.

I don't hate the wheels as much as some others here do, and they might look preety good with centers matched to the paint. They fit over the brakes and you just bought new tires for them, so I'd run them for a while. Heck my '86 had D90's on it when I got it and new tires so I ran them until I wore the tires out, I think they were 7/8s. I have huge 18 HRE's on the turbo and I have been torn about replacing them with some Speedlines but I just cant spend the $$ that they command.....

Bill

Matt I happen to have a Dansk dual inlet-single outlet muffler, in very good condition, that I always keep meaning to get around to selling.

Good question. I'm used to posting here with my degenerate friends I guess.:cool: I may post this over there, so I can be further ridiculed for my Carrera badge not being correctly located.:D

Kurt, I would be interested but I only have stock HEs right now. I'll be stuck with single inlet mufflers until/if I invest in SSIs.

I figure over there you'll get more 911 input, at the cost of less of the incredibly valuable input from the BMW and Porsche FEWC crowd. ;)

I posted there as well. Now the gurus can skewer me for my cobbled bastard car.SmileWavy

You need me to post again over there! :D

Please link the thread - j/k on posting, but I'd love to read what they say!!!

G

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