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ODDJOB UNO 08-29-2012 09:14 AM

i think having a night vision scope/a lazar(laser) beam death ray/ and home made mega ass whupper 2-zillion grain powder and 2 zillion grain bullets would put cha over the edge as far as a JURY IS CONCERNED!



also carrying a RACE GUN......................would fer sure put cha over the edge with the JURY!


carrying a .460/.480/.500 would put ya over the edge also i would think. unless the bad guy is a BEAR or MTN LION!


carrying BLACK TALONS would be a NO NO because of dumass media B.S. surrounding them. thats why i carry sometimes remington golden sabres. designed also by guy who designed black talons, just NO MEDIA B.S. about golden sabres. golden sabres are KINDER /GENTLEER/HAPPY JOY JOY/GREEN HOLLOWPOINTS! snicker snicker har har.

Rick V 08-29-2012 09:17 AM

I just carry 185gr JHP with a standard load in 45acp. Ya may have body armor on but you will hit the ground from the thud

ODDJOB UNO 08-29-2012 09:20 AM

why 185 gr NOT 230 grain in yer .45?


better groups?

less recoil?

cheaper?

what lokal cops carry?


spoon happy with THOSE RDS ONLY?

comply with geneva convention?


inquiring minds wanna know.

Rick V 08-29-2012 09:35 AM

Groupings, the 230's drop like stones. and just hit low while point shooting. Might be the pitch of my gun in my hand, but the lighter rounds just seem to do better for me. It;s all about comfort and knowing where they are going to go

ODDJOB UNO 08-29-2012 09:51 AM

10-4 on that .will try some for shizzles and giggles next time i go by(buy) ammo store.

will see if my springfields full and micro and my hk usp .45 and P9S .45 like them.

always willing to try somethang different to improve groupings.

Jeff Higgins 08-29-2012 10:15 AM

No one will ever know the difference, Rick - especially anyone hit with one. A lot of guys get hung up on bullet weight. I think it's certainly a valid concern when hunting (with heavier almost always being preferable) or with lower powered self defense rounds that are a little bullet weight challenged anyway. But the .45 ACP? I think anything it sends down range is "gonna leave a mark...". I think it's more important to find a round your gun likes, shoots to the sights, and in which you have confidence. Sounds like you have done all of that.

So, I wonder - which particular platform are you using to launch these things? The only reason that I ask is that each and every 1911 I own (or have owned) shot the standard 230 grain ball load to its sights at 25 yards. Lighter bullets have always impacted much lower (they leave quicker, so the muzzle has not risen as high in recoil by the time they depart). Just curious as to what you have that shoots the 185's to its sights.

mossguy 08-29-2012 10:21 AM

I like 200gr SWC's in my 1911 because they leave a nice round hole in the paper/cardboard targets and are more accurate than I am.

Jeff Higgins 08-29-2012 10:31 AM

I shoot a lot of cast 200 grain SWC's just for that reason, Tom. They impact close enough to point of aim that it really doesn't matter, at least for plinking and paper punching. Plus, they are cheap. I can shoot .45 ACP for what most would spend on match .22 ammo. The 185's shoot really low, though, and I can't find a mold for anything that light, so that means expensive jacketed bullets.

porwolf 08-29-2012 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick V (Post 6942399)
And while we are doing that, in wild west fashion, you get to play the roll of the meek farmer who always has to turn to the gun slinger when the bad guy decides have his way with your property and family.
If you actually feel safe relying on the cops to keep you and yours safe you are very much out of touch with reality simply based on the amount of time it takes to commit a crime, the response time of law enforcement, etc.
I am not bashing law enforcement in any way so don't anybody twist my words into thinking I am saying that. It is a fact of numbers and space.
I also don't like the fact that you feel the right to be able to call me an idiot when in fact you do not know me in any way shape or form. I doubt very seriously you would be so bold as to do that to my face.

If this country ever goes completely crazy, I want no wimpy hand gun. I would want something real like this HK, a Porsche of personal guns:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1346262325.jpg

Rick V 08-29-2012 10:52 AM

And what makes you think I only have one gun?

944Larry 08-29-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6942678)
If this country ever goes completely crazy, I want no wimpy hand gun. I would want something real like this HK, a Porsche of personal guns:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1346262325.jpg

finally, some common ground we can all agree on!!!

Rick V 08-29-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 6942604)

So, I wonder - which particular platform are you using to launch these things?

The Ruger P90

mossguy 08-29-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6942678)
If this country ever goes completely crazy, I want no wimpy hand gun. I would want something real like this HK, a Porsche of personal guns:

And when would you get this gun?

porwolf 08-29-2012 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942707)
And when would you get this gun?

When I get the feeling that too many non LEO CCW crazies are moving into the neighborhood.

BlueSkyJaunte 08-29-2012 11:10 AM

Don't engage him/her. S/he's utterly deranged.

And please stop quoting...it defeats the point of the ignore list.

mossguy 08-29-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6942721)
When I get the feeling that too many non LEO CCW crazies are moving into the neighborhood.

How would you know this?

mossguy 08-29-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 6942736)
Don't engage him/her. S/he's utterly deranged.

And please stop quoting...it defeats the point of the ignore list.

This is PARF. Please don't tell me what to do.

mossguy 08-29-2012 11:18 AM

My mistake! This is not PARF! You can tell me what to do but don't expect me to comply.

70SATMan 08-29-2012 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942744)
This is PARF. Please don't tell me what to do.

Not yet it isn't.

BlueSkyJaunte 08-29-2012 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942753)
You can tell me what to do but don't expect me to comply.

The first part of my message was advice.

The second part was a request. I even said "please".

porwolf 08-29-2012 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 6942759)
Not yet it isn't.

Soon it will be, I guess. That's the place for Gods, Guns and Government

porwolf 08-29-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942742)
How would you know this?

Bulges in the wrong places?

ODDJOB UNO 08-29-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 944Larry (Post 6942690)
finally, some common ground we can all agree on!!!

that my amigos is a HK-93 aka .223 round.

me? an HK-91 with PSG-1 trigger group,hensoldt illuminated range finder reticle on QD(quick detach-retains ZERO) HK scope mount, built by RDTS here in az.


its kind of like owning a ghia(.223) and owning a real 911(.308).



whatever ya do DO NOT..........I REPEAT ............. DO NOT-BUY A CLONE HK from anybody. ask us how we know. samo as buying a chinese m-14.


yer just asking it to go "CLICK" not "BANG".


theres a reason why porsches are spendy.


theres a REASON WHY REAL HK's are spendy.


its called quality control and tolerances.


signed ..............hk owner for 34 years.



mini hk lesson for the day:


repeat after me..............



HK-91(semi) or G-3(full auto)= .308

HK-93=.223

HK-94(semi)=9mm -MP5(full auto)= 9mm .40 cal and 10mm yer choice

mossguy 08-29-2012 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 6942772)
The first part of my message was advice.

The second part was a request. I even said "please".

OK, but the first sounded like an "order".

Re the second part, I also said "please". :)

And now I would like to say something witty, but I can't think of anything, so I won't.

mossguy 08-29-2012 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6942780)
Bulges in the wrong places?

Fair enough, assuming you could see them (bulges).

mossguy 08-29-2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6942777)
Soon it will be, I guess. That's the place for Gods, Guns and Government

Strongly disagree. Gun talk, per se, doesn't belong in PARF. Gun Control talk does. YMMV.

mossguy 08-29-2012 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 6942759)
Not yet it isn't.

I get your point. Do you think I was PARFing it up?

Racerbvd 08-29-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO (Post 6942432)
i think having a night vision scope/a lazar(laser) beam death ray/ and home made mega ass whupper 2-zillion grain powder and 2 zillion grain bullets would put cha over the edge as far as a JURY IS CONCERNED!



also carrying a RACE GUN......................would fer sure put cha over the edge with the JURY!


carrying a .460/.480/.500 would put ya over the edge also i would think. unless the bad guy is a BEAR or MTN LION!


carrying BLACK TALONS would be a NO NO because of dumass media B.S. surrounding them. thats why i carry sometimes remington golden sabres. designed also by guy who designed black talons, just NO MEDIA B.S. about golden sabres. golden sabres are KINDER /GENTLEER/HAPPY JOY JOY/GREEN HOLLOWPOINTS! snicker snicker har har.

The ammo of my choice for my 10mm. I stocked up on them years ago..:D
Wow, weird turn of events, turns out his Mother worked as a RN at a assisted living facility, but was let go last month, a friend tried to help her out, but she ended up STEALING from her, and my friend had been threatening to call the Police, then got a call yesterday from the Mother, cussing her out, saying that her baby had been murdered and it was all Loti's fault, that she put a curse on them, so the mother said she would put a Hex on Lori every day, for the rest of her life.. When I told Lori about the armed robbery, pulled up the fb profile, sure enough it was her son, I met her last week when Lori wanted us to hire her for the new store once we get it up & going:eek:..
Yes, the "kids" were ARMED.

Customer kills gunman during Jacksonville robbery attempt | Jacksonville.com Mobile Edition

Quote:

A 57-year-old Jacksonville grandfather stopped off on his way home from work Monday night to fill a grocery list his wife left for him that morning.

But after entering the Dollar General at 1921 Dunn Ave., he was thrust into an armed robbery that ended with him firing his weapon and one of the two robbers lying dead on the floor.

Two unidentified men entered the store about 9:20 p.m., both with handguns, said Lt. Rob Schoonover of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.

“One of them had the clerk and one of them was at the front cash register,” Schoonover said.

The manager then alerted the customer to the situation.

“The customer, who had a concealed firearms permit and a firearm, fired at the suspect, striking him apparently two times, killing him,” Schoonover said.

The other robber, wearing a blue bandana and gloves, ran out the front and fled eastbound on Dunn Avenue in a small sport-utility vehicle.

Soon after the incident, police allowed the customer to call and reassure his family.

“We just get a phone call saying, ‘I’m OK, but something happened,’” said the man’s son. “It just sucks that we have to work late and have to carry a gun.”

The man, who the Times-Union is not identifying because the other robber has not been caught, knew well how to use his gun, according to his family.

“He’s always been a marksman,” his wife said. “He shoots in competitions, but this is the first time he’s ever killed anyone and I don’t know how he’ll handle that.”

The store was equipped with video surveillance and the man was being taken in for questioning, but he’s not being charged, Schoonover said.

“The citizen did not get shot, none of the employees were hurt, this worked out good tonight,” Schoonover said.

Times-Union writer Dana Treen contributed to this report.

clifford.davis@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4207

ODDJOB UNO 08-29-2012 03:03 PM

now that takes the CAKE! cue in twilight zone music !


10mm ARE NICE!


a HK MP5 10mm would be my choice and a colt delta elite.


cant afford a a full auto 10mm and if i bought another spoon(delta elite) i would have to SUPPORT IT!


i think a 10mm colt would be a great choice for a bear spoon after sorting it all out ie. balance blueprint trigger job/ammo selection.

BlueSkyJaunte 08-29-2012 03:18 PM

The Colt DEs are nice. I have a Dan Wesson RZ-10. Once I got it sorted (took a trip back to the factory for that to happen, but that's another story for another day) it has been my go-to for wilderness carry. It's an OUTSTANDING pistol and being in 10mm just makes it better. DW's are put together with a level of precision that should make Colt employees hang their heads in shame.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/756...195825joke.jpg

Hah, found the pic of my RZ-10.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2530/img0546sm.jpg

Rick V 08-29-2012 03:21 PM

Hey now, .45's don't drop THAT fast. :)

Rick Lee 08-29-2012 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6942780)
Bulges in the wrong places?

Given your astounding ignorance of all things gun-related, you wouldn't have the first idea on how to make someone.

I had a cop once produce 10 concealed handguns while wearing slacks and a golf shirt and he wasn't printing. He told me to tell him when I was sure he was disarmed.

dewolf 08-29-2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 6942199)
No, we argued over the Boeing deal because you made erroneous statements you could not back up, and I called you on them. You all but called me a "liar" in that thread, and finally wound up posting all kinds of lame, conspiracy theory excuses for why you could not get the information you needed from your sources to back up your statements. You swore you would "publicly humiliate me" when you got that information, so you were told to put up or shut up. In the end, you could bring yourself to do neither, and tried to convince us that there was some conspiracy to hide the truth, and that everyone was afraid to talk. It never occured to you that you were mistaken, that the information you thought was there never existed; or if any of that did occur to you, you were just too damn stubborn to admit it. Stubborn ignorance is never pretty, Zeke. Just like in this gun debate.

I guess it is all great good fun to post glib rhetoric, sit back, pat one's self on the back, thinking "I sure showed him". Especially when your equally missguided cohorts chime in with support (cowering pussies unite!).

Dewolf, Porwolf, wdfifteen, jyl dressed for a night on the town:

The fact remains, self defense is one of the most fundemental of human rights and obligations. You guys can go ahead and cower and shiver, hoping that day will never come for you, but many of us choose to be pro-active instead. Please don't try to foist your cowering pussy way of life on us.

Porwolf has now been asked in several threads, on several occasions (by myself and others) to present his "plan". I have yet to see it. Like the rest of these simple minded fools, his "plan" appears to be no more than "take the guns away and it will all be better". How childishly simple (minded). We are still waiting for a real plan, Porwolf.

And, again, we see how the simplistic "just take them away" has worked down under. Violent crime in Australia is well and truly off the charts, with an absolutely stunning rate of growth in the years since most Aussies had to turn in most guns. We covered this at length in PARF within the last year, including how it has become bad enough to where the Aussie government began cooking the books, removing several types of violent crime from the tally in an effort to make it all not look quite so bad. Pretty sad, really, that their cowering pussies have won, and now can't even bring themselves to deal honestly with the fruits of their "victory".

So, by all means, you guys carry on with your commitment to deny yourselves the means to protect yourselves and your loved ones. Cook your books to make yourselves feel safer. Whatever it takes to not have to consider the unpleasant reality that we have violent criminals walking among us, who can and will strike any of us at any time. Try to claim that those of us who reasonably prepare to deal with them should they ever cross our paths "...(you pussies) are so scared of your own shadow you can't leave the house without a gun" if it makes you feel better about your decision to be an unprepared victim. I honestly, fervently hope none of us ever face a violent criminal bent on our harm, but at least I know what my response will be. It won't include cowering, snivelling, and hoping he will go away - to victimize yet another.

Great post. You are the poster boy for the stereotypical gun toting cowboy that the world sees most Americans like you. Hard to imagine what it must be like to be so scared of the big bad world you have to carry a gun to Walmart.

Dallas police identified the man as Todd Canady, 23, who faces a charge of evading arrest and injury to a child.
The shooting occurred about 9:20 p.m. Monday at the Walmart, 9301 Forest Lane.
Canady was waiting in line to check out when he reached for his wallet, his gun fell and went off.
Bullet fragments struck two children and an adult, Dallas police said Tuesday. Canady also was injured. The injuries were minor, police said.
When an off-duty officer confronted him, Canady ran from the store.
After a brief foot chase, Canady was arrested.
Authorities say he has a concealed handgun permit.



Yes...I just don't know how the 10's of miliions of other citizens around the world leave their homes without a gun. We know who the real pussies are.

BlueSkyJaunte 08-29-2012 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 6943303)
Great post. You are the poster boy for the stereotypical gun toting cowboy that the world sees most Americans like you.

Well, if the rest of the world sees this American as somebody like Jeff, I have no problem with that.

On second thought, I don't give a flying turd how the rest of the world sees me. SmileWavy

lane912 08-29-2012 03:47 PM

Mr de wolf-
have you ever had a firearm pointed at you by someone that intended to use it to take your property away from you?

I have-
though I was armed, I chose to evade the situation by applying the gas peddle-
I was parked in my cab and the perp was outside my car window-

ODDJOB UNO 08-29-2012 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 6943289)
The Colt DEs are nice. I have a Dan Wesson RZ-10. Once I got it sorted (took a trip back to the factory for that to happen, but that's another story for another day) it has been my go-to for wilderness carry. It's an OUTSTANDING pistol and being in 10mm just makes it better. DW's are put together with a level of precision that should make Colt employees hang their heads in shame.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/756...195825joke.jpg

Hah, found the pic of my RZ-10.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2530/img0546sm.jpg

i have never seen one! i have always liked dan wessons. especially the wheel spoon kit ya could buy with all the different barrels with different calibers. thats SWEET! i will look at those and fondle one next time at my fave spoon emporium.


the stick figures are HYSTERICAL! that made my day. LMFAO!

ODDJOB UNO 08-29-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lane912 (Post 6943349)
Mr de wolf-
have you ever had a firearm pointed at you by someone that intended to use it to take your property away from you?

I have-
though I was armed, I chose to evade the situation by applying the gas peddle-
I was parked in my cab and the perp was outside my car window-

and thats why my german car ALWAYS CARRIES A GERMAN SPOON!

gtc 08-29-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942903)
I get your point. Do you think I was PARFing it up?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942896)
Strongly disagree. Gun talk, per se, doesn't belong in PARF. Gun Control talk does. YMMV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942892)
Fair enough, assuming you could see them (bulges).

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 6942889)
OK, but the first sounded like an "order".

Re the second part, I also said "please". :)

And now I would like to say something witty, but I can't think of anything, so I won't.

Mr. Best,
You can click the little button next to the quote button (the one with the quotation mark and plus symbols) to reply to multiple posts at once. Just hit that button on the posts you want to quote, then hit the quote button on one.

Heel n Toe 08-29-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6941917)
What did you get spoon fed in college and where did you go, just curious?

You go first... there are two questions here, so please answer both of them.

porwolf, are you a college graduate? If so, did your profs spoon feed you this stuff...

Quote:

Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 6941819)
All the gun worshippers here have one thing in common: They are the useful idiots for the gun manufacturers and prolifertion industry. Their plan is to arm everybody in America, criminals and non-criminals. Actually that could be a Rebublican dream come true: Then the country does not have to spend any money on police and courts anymore. Let's have shoot-outs on mainstreet as an everyday entertainment. Just as in the Hollywood westerns. Who will then be the new Clint Eastwood? Any volunteers?

...or did you get it from Democratic Underground or DailyKOS... or both?

Head416 08-29-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtc (Post 6943369)
Mr. Best,
You can click the little button next to the quote button (the one with the quotation mark and plus symbols) to reply to multiple posts at once. Just hit that button on the posts you want to quote, then hit the quote button on one.

I wish I'd read that six years ago!!!! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat5.gif


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