Porsche claims 7:14 Nürburgring lap time for 918 Spyder

[kaisen]

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Porsche claims 7:14 lap time for 918 Spyder on Nürburgring

Porsche has just updated its Facebook page with new information regarding how quickly its upcoming 918 Spyder can go around the famed Nürburgring in Germany. According to its maker, the 770-horsepower hybrid supercar can lap the 'Ring in seven minutes and 14 seconds.

Unfortunately, Porsche didn't provide the tenths of a second needed to determine exactly where the 918 Spyder falls on the unofficial list of production car lap times for the 'Ring, but even without that, we can say that it lands in the company of the Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package (7:14:64) and Donkervoort D8 RS (7:14:89), but falls behind the Dodge Viper ACR (7:12:13), Gumpert Apollo Sport (7:11:57) and a pair of Radicals that hardly meet our criteria for being called production cars, but nevertheless can tame the 'Ring in under seven minutes.

Porsche also didn't divulge other salient details like which 918 Spyder achieved this feat and what sort of tires it was fitted with. Our guess is that the car was a test mule, as that's all we've seen on the 'Ring so far, but as for tires, that's a big question yet to be answered. The time as it stands will be all the more impressive if Porsche reveals it was achieved on street tires meant for the production car.

[Paul_Heery]

Jalopnik has a copy of the brochure for the 918.

http://jalopnik.com/5944631/leaked-brochure-shows-porsche-will-let-you-buy-this-gorgeous-800-horsepower-78-mpg-hybrid-918-spyder

[Jim Richards]

7.14? meh.

[speeder]

Aside from the car, can you imagine the skill and concentration it takes to lap the ring at that speed?

If the guy sneezed, he'd be dead.

[72doug2,2S]

A hyhbrid? Woe!

[kaisen]

[flipper35]

Not that I think that the times are as important as a lot of the press seems to think they are, that a lot of money for a car that can't lap the 'ring as fast as a 3 year old car with 170 less horsepower and "archaic" by some of the press. Granted it is noly in the 2 second range slower. What kind of mileage does it get? How fast does a Model S get around the same course?

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by flipper35

Not that I think that the times are as important as a lot of the press seems to think they are, that a lot of money for a car that can't lap the 'ring as fast as a 3 year old car with 170 less horsepower and "archaic" by some of the press. Granted it is noly in the 2 second range slower. What kind of mileage does it get? How fast does a Model S get around the same course?

78 miles per gallon, 16 mile range on electric only. 96mph on electric, 199 MPH on the combined 500hp V8 + electric drive motors. Guy in my local PCA that I pal around with is on the list to get one of these.

You get a special 918 edition 911 Turbo S to own while your 918 is being built and delivered for an extra 110k. I'll see if I can dig up the picture I snapped of that thing.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Scott R

78 miles per gallon, 16 mile range on electric only. 96mph on electric, 199 MPH on the combined 500hp V8 + electric drive motors. Guy in my local PCA that I pal around with is on the list to get one of these.

You get a special 918 edition 911 Turbo S to own while your 918 is being built and delivered for an extra 110k. I'll see if I can dig up the picture I snapped of that thing.

$160K+ for the "Edition 918 Spyder" 911 Turbo S that goes along with your 918 order

And you must hate the electric hybrid 918 Spyder, huh Scott?

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by kaisen

$160K+ for the "Edition 918 Spyder" 911 Turbo S that goes along with your 918 order

And you must hate the electric hybrid 918 Spyder, huh Scott?

It was 110k, I was there when he picked it up in June. Hate the 918? No I have no opinion on it. I've never driven one, stood next to one, or even contemplated owning one.

[kaisen]

He got a $50,700 discount, eh?

Let me google that for you

[nynor]

let me see if i understand this:

you get the 918 for $845K (OMG!) and then you pay another $110K for the turbo S. which is a $50K discount. oh, boy. every minute, for sure.

New 2013 Porsche 911 Prices - Invoice & MSRP - Motor Trend Magazine

just give me the turbo S. $845K will buy a hell of a lot of fuel.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by kaisen

He got a $50,700 discount, eh?

Let me google that for you

I won't bother with the link, but yes. You don't pay listed price for a CGT when order one either. MSRP, that's an interesting idea.

[kaisen]

Since the dealer paid way over $110K for the $160,700 base MSRP 2012 911 Turbo S 918 Spyder Edition Coupe (even with no options), I'd say there was something you missed--- maybe a previous deposit and $110K was the balance?

There's isn't $50K+ mark-up in a base 911 Turbo S

The link just showed several pages of sites listing the Spyder Edition starting at $160,700, which is the same starting MSRP as a "regular" 911 Turbo S.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by nynor

let me see if i understand this:

you get the 918 for $845K (OMG!) and then you pay another $110K for the turbo S. which is a $50K discount. oh, boy. every minute, for sure.

New 2013 Porsche 911 Prices - Invoice & MSRP - Motor Trend Magazine

just give me the turbo S. $845K will buy a hell of a lot of fuel.

Yes, I was trying to convey this point to him, but you put it better.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Since the dealer paid way over $110K for the $160,700 base MSRP 2012 911 Turbo S 918 Spyder Edition Coupe (even with no options), I'd say there was something you missed--- maybe a previous deposit and $110K was the balance?

There's isn't $50K+ mark-up in a base 911 Turbo S

The link just showed several pages of sites listing the Spyder Edition starting at $160,700, which is the same starting MSRP as a "regular" 911 Turbo S.

The dealer only delivers the 911 as part of the 918 purchase. This is a "gratis" item really.

I thought you did this for a living?

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Scott R

The dealer only delivers the 911 as part of the 918 purchase. This is a "gratis" item really.

I thought you did this for a living?

Yep, and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the Porsche dealer had to pay Porsche North America for that 911 Turbo S 918 Spyder Edition, and that the dealer paid tens of thousands more than $110K for it.

It is NOT gratis. Neither Porsche gmbh nor Porsche NA "gave them" to 918 buyers. The availability to order the special 911 was only for people who placed orders for the 918 Spyder. No one else could order one. But they didn't have to buy one if they didn't want to. And those cars were offered starting from $160,700. Sure the dealers could sell them for whatever they wanted, that's the law. It would be a very stupid Porsche franchised dealer that sold one for a $30K+ loss.

It is against the law to sell two cars for one stated total price, or one contract. They must be separate transactions.

But, as always, you know best

[kaisen]

On second thought, maybe you should have followed those links. It's all spelled out there.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Yep, and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the Porsche dealer had to pay Porsche North America for that 911 Turbo S 918 Spyder Edition, and that the dealer paid tens of thousands more than $110K for it.

It is NOT gratis. Neither Porsche gmbh nor Porsche NA "gave them" to 918 buyers. The availability to order the special 911 was only for people who placed orders for the 918 Spyder. No one else could order one. But they didn't have to buy one if they didn't want to. And those cars were offered starting from $160,700. Sure the dealers could sell them for whatever they wanted, that's the law. It would be a very stupid Porsche franchised dealer that sold one for a $30K+ loss.

It is against the law to sell two cars for one stated total price, or one contract. They must be separate transactions.

But, as always, you know best

I don't think you understand the concept of "loss leader." Ever purchase a high end car before? I once got a free, brand new Camry thrown in a deal; well actually I had a choice, 10k or a free Camry. But I had someone I wanted to give the Camry to.

You're quoting "MSRP" and purchase rules on a 850k+ car deal, none of that matters at that level, anything you want is possible at that price point.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Scott R

I don't think you understand the concept of "loss leader." Ever purchase a high end car before? I once got a free, brand new Camry thrown in a deal; well actually I had a choice, 10k or a free Camry. But I had someone I wanted to give the Camry to.

You're quoting "MSRP" and purchase rules on a 850k+ car deal, none of that matters at that level, anything you want is possible at that price point.

Like I said, the dealer can do whatever he or she wants, including losing money selling a car. That's the law.

What you're suggesting is that your friend, and the dealer, considered the two cars (911 and 918) as one transaction when discussing price. It happens.

Still, the 911 is not "gratis" for buying a 918 as you stated. It is a 2012 sold right now. The 918 will be a 2014, to be delivered very late 2013 if not early 2014. Two very separate transactions, by law.

If ANYTHING happens to the 918 before delivery, your friend can walk away from the deal. By law. And get a refund of any deposits made. By law.

So for the dealer to lose $30K on a car delivered today based on a deal to be delivered more than a year in the future is a complete idiot. And most Porsche dealers aren't idiots. So I doubt that's exactly how it went down.