well put.

I don't like alonso so he's always wrong.
On the other hand, I love vettel so no matter what he does or says, it's perfectly OK.
Next thread ........

Alonso has a long history of lying and blackmail, so do not like nor trust him either... There are better people driving in F1 these days.

Mark Webber admits having Adrian Newey at Red Bull played a major role in his decision to stay with the team.

Sammy, welcome back. I thought you were done but we appreciate your cut and paste.
Of course Weber appreciates Adrian, I'm sure Vettel does as well. So what?

You do understand the difference between praising someone and suggesting your opponent is only winning because of their car, don't you?

Here's something to think about: who was offering Weber a ride in their car? Staying at Red Bull was his only option, unless you consider the empty seat a Force India or retirement a parallel move.

Here's something else to consider. In his first full season at STR the junior team to Red Bull, Vettel single handily out paced the entire RB team (Weber and Coulthard) carrying them above RB in the constructors championship. A team that had the privilege of driving a Newey car. After his departure, STR has languished in the field. Every team takes a full array of talent but to allocate victory to the car alone (or designer) is to denigrate exceptional driving skills.

Vettel is a very good driver. But Alonso is still a whiny beyotch because he said he could podium on a MotoGP bike with a little practice. What a tool.

Pssht. Can't you? Well, as long as you aren't riding a Duc. Even Rossi can't podium on that thing.

I doubt he could make a podium any time soon but I'd bet he could do pretty well. It's not unheard of for a racer on 2 wheels or 4 to make a switch and do well. Remember Mike Hailwood and John Surtees in the past. Lately, look at what Michael Schumacher and Valantino Rossi have done.

JR

The only reason Alonso isn't currently leading the Driver's Championship is that two other Renault powered cars have taken him out in the first turn.

Yeah, that is why he dominated at the beginning of the season. Oh yeah.....

Currently the Red Bull is the class of the field, again. Hobbs summed it up nicely on Wind Tunnel last week, looking at Alonso and Vettel going through the same corner, the Red Bull was clearly much easier to drive. Vettel turned the wheel and held it steady through the corner, no corrections.. Alonso, in Hobbs' words was "flailing around like a one-armed paper hanger"

I think in excellent cars, they are pretty close in ability, with an edge to Vettel. In a mediocre car though, Alonso is better, and that is considering the results Vettel got at STR.

You want to talk about a whiny biatch, you need to look at Hamilton. His move to Mercedes is dumb. I guess he got tired of getting beat by Button, and wants to start getting beat by Nico Rosberg.

Sorry, what? Schumi and Rossi are/were geniuses on four wheels and two, respectively, but neither has made any sort of impact at all in the other's discipline.

Surtees is the ONLY man EVER to be world champion both on bikes and in cars, a feat that I highly doubt will ever be repeated. While a legend on two wheels, Hailwood's career on four wheels was mediocre.

Cheers

d.

Rossi Tested for Ferrari and was quite fast:

Formula 1

Michael Schumacher races some motorcycles:

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/122_0803_michael_schumacher_motorcycle_debut/
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/mcn/2007/november/nov5-11/nov0507michaelschumacherstunsinducati800ride/

It is true that Alonso got taken out by Grosjean in Belgium but you might want to re-evaluate your stance in Japan.

Was that Kimis fault? Please .
Alonso was just a tad late in blocking Kimi and keeps squeezing him until the Lotus is on the grass. Kimi could do nothing but was skilled enough not to spin out of the race himself. Instead Alonsos wheel makes contact with Kimis front wing (which breaks off a rather large piece) and the puncture is instant. Off goes the Scandalman in a cloud of dust.

Alonso-Raikkonen Suzuka 2012 - YouTube

Someone earlier in this thread said I can only see Vettels talent and that is nonsense.
Alonso can drive , no question. Kimi could have the most raw talent the F1 world have ever seen (perhaps the least open wheel experience of any champion, ever) and of course Hambone has a tremendous amount of experience for such a young guy and it shows. I was a great fan of Masa's until he bumped his head. There are great drivers all the way through the field.
That not what this thread was about.
I'm just getting tired of trash talk in all sporting venues.

couldn't agree more. Every time he opens his mouth.

I would agree that, when Hambone opens his pie hole it is rarely advantageous (note his recent Twitter faux pas) but we can all rest assured that his contract with Mercedes is his suicide note: now all he has to do is lay down and die.

"It is true that Alonso got taken out by Grosjean in Belgium but you might want to re-evaluate your stance in Japan.

Was that Kimis fault? Please .
Alonso was just a tad late in blocking Kimi and keeps squeezing him until the Lotus is on the grass. Kimi could do nothing but was skilled enough not to spin out of the race himself. Instead Alonsos wheel makes contact with Kimis front wing (which breaks off a rather large piece) and the puncture is instant. Off goes the Scandalman in a cloud of dust.

Alonso-Raikkonen Suzuka 2012 - YouTube"

Yeah, I love Kimi, but really WATCH that video. Where was Kimi ever going to go going into that turn? Was he going to make a pass on the outside? THREE WIDE through the turn? I don't think so. He HAD to back off eventually, but he took out Alonso's tire first.

We are looking at degrees of whiny, self centred, immature behaviour here...

So Alonso might be the biggest.. he faces stiff competition in that regard...by no means is he the clear cut leader in that championship..

I've watched the video many times as have the experts (F1 broadcast crew) and like the guys in the booth, have changed my original assessment.
Alonso's radical chopping move from right to left precipitated the entire insolent placing Kimi in a "no win" situation. Kimi had no where to go, making his only option to hold his line.
Note at 0.28 on the video Alonso chops across the track squeezing Kimi. You might also note that Alonso had plenty of room to his right.
Alonso was totally at fault.