Diesel Brothers fined

[Bugsinrugs]

https://carbuzz.com/news/diesel-brothers-hit-with-huge-fine-for-rollin-coal
Love the comments

[wayner]

In hindsight that outcome was pretty predictable. Not as easy to think about going in though it looks like.

[speeder]

As a big diesel fan and owner of several diesel cars and trucks, this doesn't bother me one bit. For some reason, diesel PU trucks appeal to the dumbest of the dumb in society and the aftermarket/modification industry is geared toward these people. They usually just destroy the truck but extra pollution, (as well as diminished performance and reliability), is a frequent result.

These idiots were catering and pandering to the other idiots and put it on TV. Being stupid should hurt and it sounds like this time, it did.

[greglepore]

Yeah. I agree. I have a tuner, and all i use it for is to monitor egt etc on a stock tune. The emissions bypass? Yes, they deserve the fine. I've heard all the bs about the cost of particulate filters etc. Doesn't pass my bs detector.

[mattdavis11]

Sounds to me like the Diesel Bros ought to counter sue the watch dog group. Evidence. Denver isn't in Utah. Who knows what happened after the vehicle was delivered? Or was it picked up? First must be an investigation as to how the vehicle was transported to Colorado. The article didn't reflect any investigation.

If anything, the Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment should be found to be in violation of the law, and state authorities, on both sides, should pick up charges for transporting a non conforming vehicle across state lines.

Totally ridiculous.

[rfuerst911sc]

A diesel shop near me was recently being watched by the EPA . I assume but don't know that someone must have tipped them off . Anyway I have been told the fine was one million bucks ! If you are stupid enough to show on TV that you are violating EPA emission rules/laws then don't be surprised if you get caught/fined .

As the old saying goes " if you do the crime you pay the time " or something like that I am a diesel truck owner running stock tune , she's as clean/dirty as the factory intended . The whole rolling coal BS .......... I just shake my head .

[wayner]

Originally Posted by speeder

As a big diesel fan and owner of several diesel cars and trucks, this doesn't bother me one bit. For some reason, diesel PU trucks appeal to the dumbest of the dumb in society and the aftermarket/modification industry is geared toward these people. They usually just destroy the truck but extra pollution, (as well as diminished performance and reliability), is a frequent result.

These idiots were catering and pandering to the other idiots and put it on TV. Being stupid should hurt and it sounds like this time, it did.

This is different than some guy in his back yard making hot rod for himself.
You can't make commercial venture out of selling products that aren't EPA compliant, and that's what they got hit for.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

A diesel shop near me was recently being watched by the EPA . I assume but don't know that someone must have tipped them off . Anyway I have been told the fine was one million bucks ! If you are stupid enough to show on TV that you are violating EPA emission rules/laws then don't be surprised if you get caught/fined .

As the old saying goes " if you do the crime you pay the time " or something like that I am a diesel truck owner running stock tune , she's as clean/dirty as the factory intended . The whole rolling coal BS .......... I just shake my head .

Yep. I have an older diesel PU truck and it's dirty enough the way it left the factory.

Originally Posted by wayner

This is different than some guy in his back yard making hot rod for himself.
You can't make commercial venture out of selling products that aren't EPA compliant, and that's what they got hit for.

Bingo. Incomprehensible stupidity.

[Bugsinrugs]

I’m sure they were getting good $$ from the Discovery channel. They might have to change their business model though.

[masraum]

That's awesome. the Coal rollin' thing is BS.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

Sounds to me like the Diesel Bros ought to counter sue the watch dog group. Evidence. Denver isn't in Utah. Who knows what happened after the vehicle was delivered? Or was it picked up? First must be an investigation as to how the vehicle was transported to Colorado. The article didn't reflect any investigation.

If anything, the Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment should be found to be in violation of the law, and state authorities, on both sides, should pick up charges for transporting a non conforming vehicle across state lines.

Totally ridiculous.

Sting operation by the lds...

That said. Used truck. Prolly a metric ton of miles, and deleted. It's easy to hit 80+ times the current diesel emission standards with any diesel made before 2003.... Let alone the 80's....



If any of you guys watch the show. They're quite generous. Truck giveaways every month. Builds at cost. Even fixed a hombres truck after some rednecks harassed them. They don't support rolling coal on the street as with all the other mouth breathers.

[lgb240]

You would think that they would have some small print on their work orders / contracts / invoicing saying that what they do may / may not be legal on public highways or something to that effect so they are exempt from anything getting back to them. Aftermarket suppliers and tuners do it all the time.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by wayner

You can't make commercial venture out of selling products that aren't EPA compliant, and that's what they got hit for.

Well, it's probably a multi-billion dollar industry. Just think of all the "commercial ventures" out there that sell products to circumvent EPA regs (cat bypass pipes, "racing" cats, tuner chips, OBD piggyback modules, DPF delete kits, etc.).

Sounds like selective application of the law, due to a bunch of whiny granola-crunching smugtards.

FWIW, I am NO fan of idiots "rolling coal" either, but an $850K fine seems excessive.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

Sounds to me like the Diesel Bros ought to counter sue the watch dog group. Evidence. Denver isn't in Utah. Who knows what happened after the vehicle was delivered? Or was it picked up? First must be an investigation as to how the vehicle was transported to Colorado. The article didn't reflect any investigation.

If anything, the Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment should be found to be in violation of the law, and state authorities, on both sides, should pick up charges for transporting a non conforming vehicle across state lines.

Totally ridiculous.

+1

Originally Posted by lgb240

You would think that they would have some small print on their work orders / contracts / invoicing saying that what they do may / may not be legal on public highways or something to that effect so they are exempt from anything getting back to them. Aftermarket suppliers and tuners do it all the time.

Exactly. Tons of "may not be street legal" products are sold every day. The burden of following the law should be on the end-user.

Though, if they don't/didn't have any "disclaimers" addressing that up front, then they absolutely need better lawyers.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Well, it's probably a multi-billion dollar industry. Just think of all the "commercial ventures" out there that sell products to circumvent EPA regs (cat bypass pipes, "racing" cats, tuner chips, OBD piggyback modules, DPF delete kits, etc.).

Sounds like selective application of the law, due to a bunch of whiny granola-crunching smugtards.

FWIW, I am NO fan of idiots "rolling coal" either, but an $850K fine seems excessive.

That industry has been under attack for years but SEMA has good lawyers

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

+1

Exactly. Tons of "may not be street legal" products are sold every day. The burden of following the law should be on the end-user.

Though, if they don't/didn't have any "disclaimers" addressing that up front, then they absolutely need better lawyers.

Exactly.
If you personally buy something that a race company sells labeled not for street use and put it on a street car, it is you personally who is breaking the law, not the product manufacturer (unless they lead you to believe it WAS for street use. But any ones that are still in the market have warning labels.

What I am more concerned about is that these guys are the low hanging fruit though.
Its easy to see coal rolling as antisocial.

How long before a car used at the track, is seen as antisocial and just showing up at a cars and coffee will get eggs (wait not eggs, that would be exploiting chickens... perhaps tea leaves ) thrown at your car in a similar way to what happened with the fur industry.

Thats what I am worried about. Did the brothers roll the canary in the coal mine?

If you have been following any of the SEMA bulletins you'll know that SEMA has been pushing back hard on this for some time. By now the EPA was supposed to have a law banning turning a street car into race car for track use only, but, SEMA worked for you on that to fight it..



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[pavulon]

How long until the feds start "helping" the customers listed on DB's business records?

[M2landscape]

Originally Posted by speeder

As a big diesel fan and owner of several diesel cars and trucks, this doesn't bother me one bit. For some reason, diesel PU trucks appeal to the dumbest of the dumb in society and the aftermarket/modification industry is geared toward these people. They usually just destroy the truck but extra pollution, (as well as diminished performance and reliability), is a frequent result.

These idiots were catering and pandering to the other idiots and put it on TV. Being stupid should hurt and it sounds like this time, it did.

People like you will give this forum an unpleasant environment. You may be a diesel vehicle owner, but not much of an advisor of them. I myself am a proud diesel owner of many reliable, fuel efficient diesel trucks. First of all, for all of these "dumbest of dumb society" for which you refer to, maybe you should reread your article before posting it. English 101!

After market products are not a smart move on new diesels trucks, due to fines and vehicle warranties, but they do enhance performance and reliability of these trucks. New diesel trucks are designed purely for fuel efficiency vs. smog emissions (which do destroy these engines). So, some diesel owners do turn to beating the negative aspects of the self-destructing process of the emissions on these expensive engines, that do save on MPG - ie, less fuel used...

'Diesel Brothers' are good people, and do good things for their fans and charities. May be pay attention to their episodes and you will see.

[slow&rusty]

From last year when a lifted, very modified Diesel Powerstoke owner thought is was funny to roll coal on me while I was riding my bicycle I say "serves them right"...Dipsheeetz.

[john70t]

Very small diesel/hybrid seems like the perfect combo for energy efficiency + tourque.

I don't understand the F350 red light racer mentality.
Once upon a time, people used equipment for what it was actually made for.

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by john70t

I don't understand the F350 red light racer mentality.

Ha; or pickup truck owners who watched Fast'n'Furious movies and think a lift kit, huge wheels w/ ultra-low profile rubber-bands for tires and a fart-can exhaust means it's now suitable to be driven like a sports car...

You can't fix stupid. But you can stay as far away from it as possible.