Dual Flush conversions?
 

Question out to you toilet experts, and I hope to keep this out of parf...

I have manfield units in my house, and I am attempting to install a flushmaster dual flush kit in one, and it seems that regardless of how I adjust it, it seems to always do a full flush. Sometimes it will do a partial flush, but that seems random.
Am I doing something wrong, or did I just buy a crap kit, and I should just replace the toilet with a newer unit with the dual flush built in?

TIA!

Dual flush? Why would want to save siht along with TP in your pipes? Buy a TOTO and be donw with it. Spend a few bucks and you will be happy. Your pipes will thank you.

I have installed two different dual flush units in toilets at my house and they both failed to perform reliably. I followed instructions to the letter then tinkered with them and they still never worked right. Even after a friend who is a plumber by trade gave it a shot they didn't work right. The plumber friend said that as a rule he did not install them for clients due to their unreliable nature.

I wouldn't install one in my client's home. Not worth keeping siht around. there is so little water in the low flush mode, why would any body want to save water to save crap. I think it only flushes some of the pee.

This thread stinks.

Flush it to PARF?

It would seem fitting. ;)

The plumbers at my work say those water urinals allow the pee (uric acid) to sit in 60 year old piping and corrode them really fast. With a partial or full flush toilet, you at least get some water going through the pipes however. Something to think about.

my friend put one in. i swear my Pee had more volume. not so sure he ever got it to work out.

my Toto is uncloggable. and it is low flow. i dont know if it is intentional, but if you hold the lever down on my toto, all low-flow bets are off. it is like the Poseidon adventure. it would flush a hamster treading water. (i've heard)

Go to a House restoration place and buy one of the old 6 gal. old school full flush toilets Never have a clogged drain again. Nothing sends **** down the pipe like a full 6 gal. flush! Of course I live where water is not a problem, as I just pump it out of our well. Hell when put in, they would pump 50 gal. a minute and could not pump it dry. Guy said I will never run out of water! I have left it on running a garden hose for 10 days in a row to fill my ice rink, and have never had a issue with it.

a plumber told me that old toilets usually have deposits that constrict the flow

You guys are funny. Here's what's going on there in your Toto. when the lever is held down, you allow the flapper to fully open for an extended amount of time. This allows all of the water (90%) to drain from the tank creating a huge volume of water to rush away what's left is in the bowl. Now, when you flush normally, the flapper only allows so much (approx 1.6gpm) water to go through the opening before it closes. Take off the lid and see what's happenning.

the other reason the Toto is a good toilet is that the trap way is glazed all the way through (nothing sticks to it), where most other brands are not. St Thomas is also a good toilet.

I am done talking siht.:)

Is not just float rate but the volume of water is a great help.

what is the cheapest good toto or other brand?

Low flow toilets crack me up. Best case you just have to flush 2-3 times to evacuate the poo, when one flush from a good toilet would have done it with the same or less water. But on the upside, I bet the plunger companies love them.

Toto CST744SG. 1.6 pgf We had one put in during our bathroom reno 1 1/2 years ago. It works. I will never install anything else.

Ian

thanks. no one has ever explained it to me. the sales man said the trap is larger in diameter as well. no mention of the glazing. thanks alot look. i am about to go and impress my wife with my toto knowledge.

In other words, what makes a toilet work is large ports and high flowing heads :).

It is the way of the world, nothin' beats a good head job.

Don't even get me started about low flow shower heads.

They are about 350-400. do not get the two piece. They don't work as well and there's always a chance of leakage when the rubber seal goes south over time. My fav. is the G max, Sanigloss, or any Ultra Max would do the trick. St Thomas, is a lot more money. They started building them like Toto when they lost the patent. Why do you even ask for another brand. That's a waste of b reath.

Not a Toto you would have to flush more then once.

Which one do you have? One piece? If you have the standard Ultra max, not the low tank one, they flush better due to the fact that the water is sitting higher so the flushing is a little stronger. Go and impress her and she may say you longer have to discuss your annual hunting trip for the next three years.

When it comes to low flow gravity flush or split flush TOTO is the choice.

Why yes, I am a plumber.

i dont remember. but it is two piece. my wife liked the more traditional look of a two piece. it is not the low profile one.

You guys know which toilets are the right ones?

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

LOL

Went through multiple Am.Standard toilets.... Found this site and swapped to Totos about 6 years ago: Terry Love's Consumer toilet reports, a report and reviews on toilets

We have never used a plunger with a Toto.

Ha. The same site where I learned about Toto. When I was looking I searched for one flush toilets. The Toto Drake that we have is truly a one flush (even though it's a two piece). The Room Monkey has clogged every toilet we have ever had - but not this one.

Ian

thanks to Dad911..i am reminded that my TOTO is the Clayton model.

haha..speaking of which..i shouldnt have eaten that second bran muffin. oh-o!

not all TOTO is supposedly great. the salesman refused to sell me a toto sink faucet that i thought looked great. he said there were lots of issues.

The Drake is a handicap toilet. The seat is a little higher then most. They flush a little better. Nothing wrong with a 2 piece, it eliminate the risk of leakage in that rubber seal between tank and bowl. Is not it, but when. they more you lean on the tank, they more they will likely leak sooner.

Well, I make sure my clients get the best product for their money. My job is to make sure they understand what they are getting and why. 99% of them listen and make good decision based on our advice. I am just a dumb general contractor.

I wouldn't buy one. parts are a big pain in the ass but no issues really. They work pretty wwell. I was chatting with their rep at the Kitchen and bath industry show in Vegas a few years ago. They want a lot of money for their fixtures. I didn't think it was worth it. Many people don't know their products, and they sell an Eskimo ice.

No. You are thinking of the SL ADA version. The Drake I bought is 14 5/8 high rather than the 17-19" perches on the high boys which are 'in fashion' & which seemed ridiculous to me.

Ian

BAAH figures he's from Bothell WA.

informative site for sure, but really understaing the "like" on FB part LOL. I'd catch crap (no pun intended) for blogging about that.

rjp

randy..all these years, and i still get creeped out from your avatar..ahhahaha

thanks Look..so two piece toilets will eventually leak? no big deal. seems like an easy seal to change.

my MIL got some American Standard. i think the tank needs to come off to change the flush mechanism. it has a flapper like none i have ever seen. perplexing..it is like 4" in diameter.

yeah, 20 years later then they leak. 3 bucks to replace the rubber seal. One thing I forgot to mention to you. Do not use the over the counter bar / cleaner that you drop into the tank. I don't even know what those things are call. They use to be blue and it turns the water blue in the bowl. It eats up the plastic and you will be changing float mechanism sooner then you think.

When I moved into this house 7 years ago there were expensive, fancy looking low head toilets that were totally worthless. Three flushes wouldn't get it done. I installed two Gerber Ultra-flush (one of Terry Love's favorites) for about $300 ea and it is the best upgrade I have done to the house. They will flush a 10lb poodle on the first try (don't ask) and because they are pressure assist the high velocity flush cleans the bowl well. The down side is they sound like a high velocity commercial toilet so they do make more noise. To me the excellent 1.6g flush and rinse is totally worth it.

I cannot compare these to a Toto because I have not owned one but 7 years without a second flush, clog, or repair of any kind is pretty good service.