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M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 06:55 PM
Worlds Smallest Gas Engines! Serious Skill Here Guys...
 
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SCIENTISTS have built the smallest petrol engine, tiny enough to power a WATCH. The mini-motor, which runs for two years on a single squirt of lighter fuel, is set to revolutionize world technology. It produces 700 times more energy than a conventional battery despite being less than a centimeter long (Not even half an inch!). It could be used to operate laptops and mobile phones for months doing away with the need for recharging. Experts believe it could be phasing out batteries in such items within just six years. The engine, minute enough to be balanced on a fingertip, has been produced by engineers at the University ofBirmingham . Dr Kyle Jiang, lead investigator from the Department of Mechanical Engineering, said: “We are looking at an industrial revolution happening in peoples’ pockets. The breakthrough is an enormous step forward. Devices which need re- charging or new batteries are a problem but in six years will be a thing of the past..” Other applications for the engine could include medical and military uses, such as running heart pacemakers or mini reconnaissance robots. At present, charging an ordinary battery to deliver one unit of energy involves putting 2,000 units into it. The little engine, because energy is produced locally, is far more effective.. One of the main problems faced by engineers who have tried to produce micro motors in the past has been the levels of heat produced. The engines got so hot they burned themselves out and could not be re-used. The Birmingham team overcame this by using heat-resistant materials such as ceramic and silicon carbide. Professor Graham Davies, head of the university’s engineering school, said: “we've brought together all the engineering disciplines, materials, chemical engineering, civil engineering, and mechanical engineering. What better place to have the second industrial revolution in nano-technology than where the first took place, in the heart of the West Midlands.

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M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 06:57 PM
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V-8 and V-12 Engines in Miniature!

For all you out there who like big, honking V-8's and screaming' V-12 engines, check out these tiny versions that you could run on your workbench or kitchen table. These models were built by craftsmen the same way the big ones are made by machining billet stock and castings, but in miniature. These are not just models that look like engines, they are real running engines. Some of these photos were taken from the Joe Martin FoundationCraftsmanship Museum but many more images can be found elsewhere on the web, and engines like these can be seen in person at model engineering shows around the country. (Underlined words in the text are links to related sites.) Here are some really nice examples:
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M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 07:01 PM
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The late Lee Root built this ? scale Corvette engine. The major components were machined entirely from solid billet aluminium that has been bead blasted to look like castings, and it will turn 18,000 RPM! The coin you see in some of the photos for size reference is a US Quarter. The valve covers are just 4-1/2" long, and the miniature spark plugs are commercially available.
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This 1/3 scale billet machined, supercharged Chrysler 300 Hemi racing engine from the 1960s was built by James Weber. It has a 1.0" bore and 0.90" stroke displacing 5.65 cubic inches. The engine burns gasoline or methanol (methyl alcohol) on dual electronic spark ignition and incorporates a two-stage pressurized dry-sump lubrication system. It will turn around 12 grand and uses a couple of computer cooling fans on the radiator to keep things cool. Note the professional looking throttle and gauges on the stand.

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Here's a V-8 and a half ; a ? scale Ferrari V-12 by Jeron Classic Motors. It has double overhead camshafts, burns methanol on glow ignition and is equipped with two oil pumps for dry sump lubrication. All six carburettors function and are linked together for smooth operation. The heads and block are about 7-1/4" long. Only a few of these were made before the company went out of business, so it's pretty rare. Like many of the engines you see here, it is on loan to the Craftsmanship Museum courtesy of Paul and Paula Knapp and their Miniature Engineering Museum .


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Here's another twelve. The late Al Ingersol built this Curtiss D-12D 1/6 scale V-12 airplane engine completely from billet stock and also built a model Curtiss Wright P 6E biplane to put it in. The engine is only 9" long and weighs 6 pounds. It has a 0.80" bore and 1.062" stroke, displacing 6.46 cubic inches.

One of the more popular model V-8 engines over the years has been the Challenger. This one was built by RonColonna. Casting kits are still available for this 1/3 scale engine through Coles Power Models, although it is definitely not a beginner project.

Several V-8 engines by Ken Hurst are displayed at a model engineering shows like the recent Western Engine Model Exhibition (WEME) in Vallejo , CA . How about that supercharger! Behind the first engine is his blue Challenger V-8. The 103 cc engine sounds great running on a mixture of white gas and high octane racing fuel.


Eugene Corl built this 1/3 scale Chevy V-8 using engine castings he produced himself. The engine is seen here at the Gas Engine Antique Reproduction Show (GEARS) in Portland , OR .

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Mark Henry 01-22-2013 07:01 PM
Big deal.... your cellphone will weigh 60Lbs once the EPA is finished with it.:rolleyes:

xlr8 01-22-2013 07:02 PM
How often do you have to change the oil?

shinrai 01-22-2013 07:02 PM
I imagine the writer of that story isn't a numbers person.

M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 07:24 PM
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The photos above show the world's smallest known running Chevrolet V-8. Jim Moyer built this 1/6 scale version of a 1964 365 HP Chevrolet Corvette 327. Note the tiny firing order cast into the intake manifold just like on the real thing. The heads and block are machined from billet aluminium. Jim even made stamping dies to make the oil pan, rockers and front cover. The valve covers are investment cast.
The finished 1/6 scale 5-bearing crankshaft fits in Jim's hand.. It utilizes real Babbitt bearings.

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Here you can see the cylinder heads of the Moyer 327 plus the stamped oil pan and front cover. Some parts inside the engines are made to scale like the 30-30 Duntov camshaft, but some things have to be modified to make a small engine run. Electricity and fuel molecules don't scale, so some parts have to be slightly heavier or larger than exact scale would dictate. Getting a small engine to run requires skill and careful work; getting one to run well is an art.

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Here's a shot of Jim's tiny Corvette V-8 being test run. He is now working on a 1/6 scale Chevy 409.

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M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 07:27 PM
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Gary Conley came up with the ? scale Conley V-8 in the 1980's. This version has twin carbs. You could buy it as a kit or as a completed engine. Gary is now building what he calls the "Stinger 609" V-8 that will soon be available as a complete running engine. A supercharged Stinger 609 running in a 1/4 scale dragster. Impressive!
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Paul Knapp built this great looking version of the Conley V-8. It runs twin carbs on a fully functional Roots style 671 blower and will turn 12,000 RPM on methanol. Note the nicely painted and highly polished finishes on this beautiful engine. (Did you notice that the ignition switch even has its own set of keys like a real engine?)

M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 07:30 PM
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A Cirrus V-8 by Profi M.E. of the Ukraine is based on the Merritt Zimmerman design. The exposed rocker arms need to be manually lubricated before running the engine. Again, note the really nice finishes on every part.
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This is one of only six air-cooled Micro Cirrus 1/12 scale V-8s produced by Profi M.E. using the components from a run of 4-cylinder Micro Cirrus engines. Six water-cooled versions were also built. The cylinder heads on this rare V-8 are only about 2" long. Note the size of the quarter at the bottom of the photo. This thing is TINY!
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This 87 cc V-12 by Martin Ohrendorf of Germany has a 21 mm bore and stroke, 24 exposed rocker arms and three carbs. It will spin a 24/10 propeller at 4500 RPM. One just like it can be seen running on YouTube.
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This scale 426 Hemi V-8 by Roger Butzen was made by using parts of a plastic model kit for reference. This one, however, is all metal and it RUNS! Only the air cleaner decal from the plastic kit made it to the final running version.

M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 07:35 PM
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Here is another Challenger V-8 at the WEME show in Vallejo . This one was built by Dick Pretel and sports triple carbs. Starter, batteries and other peripherals are hidden in the wooden base. It even has carrying handles! Big fins on the valve covers help with cooling.

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The Joe Martin Foundation for Exceptional Craftsmanship has a machine shop in their museum in Vista , CA , where they are currently building a miniature Howell V-4 engine. They have documented the build step-by-step so you can see what it takes to put together a running miniature engine.
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mikeesik 01-22-2013 07:40 PM
As a Machinist since I was 12 years old, all I can say is..Wowawoowa!

M.D. Holloway 01-22-2013 07:43 PM
I know right!

mikeesik 01-22-2013 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lubemaster77 (Post 7224597)
i know right!
you do!

mikeesik 01-22-2013 07:53 PM
I hope these Masters are still in the working field and pass on what they know.
My experience indicates much selfish kept knowledge.
Such a waste.

racing97 01-23-2013 06:52 AM
Marushin Porsche Carrera RS 2.7 engine model 1:8 scale

regards

M.D. Holloway 01-23-2013 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by racing97 (Post 7225157)
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I think I could buy a 1:1 that needed help...but still its very cool!

intakexhaust 03-21-2013 12:02 PM
Wow Wayne!
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bkreigsr 03-22-2013 04:39 AM
regarding post # 1 - I call BS - early April Fools - no way

"Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
Sounds serious. To check a number or two, my portable PC uses about 50 watts of power.
Gasoline has energy capacity of 35 MJ/L. A "squirt" I'll define as 1 cm³, and there are 1000 of these in a liter. So a squirt of gasoline would hold 35 kJ of energy. A gas engine is 30% efficient, about, so that is 10 kJ available to power the laptop.

50 watts is 50 J/s
10 kJ / 50 J/s = 200 seconds, or 3 minutes. Hardly the months promised.

For 2 months, 5e6 seconds, using the numbers above, you would need
50 J/s x 5e6s = 250e6 J.
converting that to gasoline, that is
250e6 J x 3 / 35 MJ/L = 15 liters of gasoline, hardly something you would want to carry around with your computer.

My guess would be the engine is real, but the article was written by a news reporter who exaggerated things a bit. "

red-beard 03-22-2013 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bkreigsr (Post 7344039)
regarding post # 1 - I call BS - early April Fools - no way

"Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
Sounds serious. To check a number or two, my portable PC uses about 50 watts of power.
Gasoline has energy capacity of 35 MJ/L. A "squirt" I'll define as 1 cm³, and there are 1000 of these in a liter. So a squirt of gasoline would hold 35 kJ of energy. A gas engine is 30% efficient, about, so that is 10 kJ available to power the laptop.

50 watts is 50 J/s
10 kJ / 50 J/s = 200 seconds, or 3 minutes. Hardly the months promised.

For 2 months, 5e6 seconds, using the numbers above, you would need
50 J/s x 5e6s = 250e6 J.
converting that to gasoline, that is
250e6 J x 3 / 35 MJ/L = 15 liters of gasoline, hardly something you would want to carry around with your computer.

My guess would be the engine is real, but the article was written by a news reporter who exaggerated things a bit. "
HEY! Debunking these things with facts, numbers and calculations is MY schtick! :D

bkreigsr 03-22-2013 06:53 AM
sorry r-b, but I gave you 59 days, 11 hours, and roughly 52 minutes, and still had not heard from you.
I figured you were going to pass on this one.
I won't be so hasty next time.:(
Bill K


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