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genrex 01-24-2013 06:50 AM

Rolling Stones
 
In talking with people about the Rolling Stones, I sometimes hear them express a preference for the early Stones, vs the later Stones.

I'm not terribly familiar with the Stones, but I think they are saying they prefer the earlier more melodic and more emotionally intimate Stones, vs the later louder blues-jazz musical style and edgy-controversial song content.

Is there an album that defines the "dividing line" between the early Stones and the later Stones? After that album, was there still sometimes a return to their earlier style in form and content?

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svandamme 01-24-2013 06:53 AM

they are old.. Mick these days, it's shouting, to singing, don't like it.
And all of their new stuff (recent 20 years ) sounds the same to me

GG Allin 01-24-2013 06:57 AM

Big stones fan, but I really only like the very late sixties stuff up through Tattoo You.

nota 01-24-2013 07:11 AM

when brian left

Dana Norris 01-24-2013 07:15 AM

Let it Bleed was the album that forshadowed the change from rythem and blues.

herr_oberst 01-24-2013 07:16 AM

Beggars Banquet is the apex between old and new, IMHO
(or Let It Bleed)

Dottore 01-24-2013 07:22 AM

The boys peaked in the late sixties.

Let It Bleed, Beggars's Banquet and Sticky Fingers are their best albums IMO, though if I were really in the bag I would add Exile on Main Street to that list.

Your characterization of their early and later periods is not right. They really started out as a pure blues band doing blues covers. All their early stuff is "bluesy".

They were never really edgy...unless you count Their Satanic Majesties Request as edgy...which of course you shouldn't.

They're just a rock band. (It's only rock and roll - but I like it.) :)

craigster59 01-24-2013 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dana Norris (Post 7227337)
Let it Bleed was the album that forshadowed the change from rythem and blues.

And what I think is their best album next to Exile On Main Street.

ossiblue 01-24-2013 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nota (Post 7227328)
when brian left

Agree, but change was not sudden or abrupt.

I have been a Stones fan since they first came on the scene. I would disagree with something the OP posted (which he heard from others)--that the early Stones were more melodic and intimate rather than, etc. The early Stones were very bluesy as well as edgy (which I define as on the edge of what popular music, at the time, was about lyrically and subject-wise), much of that thanks to Brian Jones.

As far as a definitive album "change", that may be hard. There are many compilation albums in the Stones catalog that draw on past cuts and there are several later albums which have, IMO, individual cuts that are worthy vs the entire album. Once you get past "Let It Bleed", the ratio of individual cuts to complete album quality starts to shift.

craigster59 01-24-2013 07:25 AM

Always loved this video.....
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Dottore 01-24-2013 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 7227356)
Once you get past "Let It Bleed", the ration of individual cuts to complete album quality starts to shift.

That's a great way to summarize it. Absolutely right.

KFC911 01-24-2013 07:45 AM

Been a huge Stones fan all my life...essentially three different bands. Back in the 60s with Brian (the Hot Rocks compilation of all their "hits" sums that period up). The Mick Taylor era (my favorite, starting with Let It Bleed, Exile (my all time favorite), etc. through the early 70s. Then the new kid (Ronnie Wood) from '75 on. Lots of great albums (I've probably got 30+) from each version. Seen 'em a few times live, but don't get "into" stadium/arena tours, "much". They ain't the Stones anymore without Bill and Ian on keys anyways imo...YMMV. Keef is da man behind the music...for me anyways :)

genrex 01-24-2013 07:46 AM

Thank you for the replies. I really appreciate it. :)

I need to listen to their albums, especially their early stuff with which I'm basically completely unfamiliar. It won't be the same as growing up with the albums, and the knowledge and experience that comes with that, but still it will be good. Kinda like growing up all over again. I need to sit down and listen to each of their albums individually. Good times ahead. Thanks again!

Rog

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KFC911 01-24-2013 07:48 AM

For the OP's question, yes...the dividing line (album wise) was "Let It Bleed" (mostly Keef though) and "Black & Blue" (Ronnie's first)...

herr_oberst 01-24-2013 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 7227356)
Once you get past "Let It Bleed", the ration of individual cuts to complete album quality starts to shift.

It can be argued that "Some Girls" is a complete album. Sure, it's got it's disco flavoring, but the album is definitely 'of a piece' in my opinion. And it's a good album, too, also IMHO.

KFC911 01-24-2013 07:53 AM

"Some Girls" ('78) deffinitely was a "complete body of work"..."Tattoo You" (still good) was stuff they'd had "in the can" for a while as I recall...

cairns 01-24-2013 08:04 AM

Agree with the sentiments here. Apart from "Big Hits- High tide and Green Grass" Exile remains my favorite. Also really liked (though technically not a Stones album) Jamming with Edward. And I still get a chill hearing Paint It Black......

Dottore 01-24-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cairns (Post 7227465)
And I still get a chill hearing Paint It Black......

Isn't it great how music brings people together?

Hearing "Paint It Black" for the first time blew me away completely. That and Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone".

That was about the time I realized that life wasn't really like a box of chocolates.

aigel 01-24-2013 09:16 AM

Do they have any concerts planned in the US?

G

herr_oberst 01-24-2013 10:07 AM

An old movie with Diane Keaton and Albert Finney ("Shoot the Moon") has a scene where Diane Keaton is in the sitting room with her (soon to be) lover, she goes over to the turntable. Starts "Play with Fire".

Wow. Perfect.


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