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varmint 04-12-2013 09:02 PM

In most of the world's cultures throughout most of human history a young drunk girl without family protection was gonna get raped.

the first thing to establish is, why are we an exception? then ask why has the system been breaking down lately?

KaptKaos 04-12-2013 09:09 PM

lack of fear of thos fukers getting a muzzle shoved in their face.

sad, disgusting, tragic, typical and avoidable.

Cajundaddy 04-12-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varmint (Post 7383695)
In most of the world's culture throughout most of human history a young drunk girl without family protection was gonna get raped.

Why are we an exception? And why has the system been breaking down lately?

Yep, this crap has been going on for 10,000 years. We are barbarians and every once in a while we are starkly reminded of it with an incident too close to home.. It's no accident that a high percentage of Eurasians are descendants of Genghis Khan and his army.
1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan : Gene Expression

quicksix 04-12-2013 09:46 PM

No Sir your honor,I am a direct descendant of "THE KHAN",and she was just layin there...nature vs.nurture you see....
I don't know my genotype,but I am AB-,which appeared on Earth about the time my mongol brothers were finishing up with the weaklings standing in the way. smiley wavegreenfont

cstreit 04-12-2013 09:46 PM

I sus pect that this sort of thing has always happened... ...but with modern communications we just hear about it more.

I would go to jail for the rest of my life if someone did this to my daughters... That is, assuming they found the remaining pieces of the perps.

varmint 04-12-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 7383726)
Yep, this crap has been going on for 10,000 years. We are barbarians and every once in a while we are starkly reminded of it with an incident too close to home.. It's no accident that a high percentage of Eurasians are descendants of Genghis Khan and his army.
1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan : Gene Expression


back in the 90s an evolutionary biologist wrote a paper looking at rape as a reproductive strategy. he argued that in darwinian terms it made sense. he was shouted down and forced to apologize; not by other biologists but by the feminist legion on campus.

fascinating topic that can turn ugly fast.

flatbutt 04-13-2013 04:51 AM

With respect there is nothing fascinating about rape or any act of violence committed against the helpless and vulnerable.

notfarnow 04-13-2013 05:18 AM

I spent some time volunteering at a high school recently, and was really surprised by a tone of cynicism and self-indulgence. It was really off-putting, almost spooky. Probably good kids, but there is an edge there I didn't like.

There was a piece on the radio the other day about young men's access to hard core porn, and how it affects their concepts of sexuality. The argument is that as young men are maturing, it distorts their concept of how sex is supposed to be... not just for them but for women too. It was really mind opening... 90% of high school boys have accessed porn, and nearly 70% watch it regularly (once a week). We're not talking Playboy here, but wide-open access to hard core porn, where they see gang-bangs, rough sex, dominance. The tone of that porn is very male-centric (obviously), but the problem lies in the fact that sex is portrayed as almost a "victory" over women. Esp all the gang-bang, CIM, COF stuff.

Would you want your daughters hopping in the sac with boys who have been raised on HC internet porn?

Anyway, I don't think the answer lies with ONE explanation, but that was a very though provoking interview

oldE 04-13-2013 05:21 AM

A terrible loss.

The rape, as you probably know if you read the article, happened in 2011. What was going on recently was the constant harassment from peers and "social media".
She was made to feel everything was her fault because she got drunk and passed out at a party two years ago.

My daughter gave testimony on behalf of a friend when she was in her teens, after a similar incident. There was no conviction, but at least that one got to court. It seems there were no charges laid at the time, but the investigation has been re-opened. Too late for this victim.

God Speed Rehtaeh.

Les

Instrument 41 04-13-2013 05:45 AM

Teenage boys , in general, have an entitled mind set. I believe its their culture and the numerous negative influences today. Along with this is the lack of respect that most young boys have. Boys today think nothing about confronting adults in ways that I would have never done, whether its their parents or not. Just the other night this young man came to my house and was vehemently questioning my decisions on what I deemed best for my son, his friend. Guess what, he was not invited back ..by me.
To the point of being descendant of some violent group from the past...hog wash, you can't blame present day behavior on what some long lost folks did in 1500.(Blaming someone else for your behavior...may be part of todays problem)

I have 4 boys the oldest 21 and the youngest 15. We have worked hard to raise them correct not to be a burden on society but to a responsible productive citizens. AS much as i dislike Hillary Clinton and at the very moment of this statement disagreed with it..but it does hold some merit. (Sometimes) it does take a village to raise a kid. Example if I messed up when I was a kid word got back to my parents before I made it home.

afterburn 549 04-13-2013 05:52 AM

When raised by a single parent, planted in front of TV or X box
Their world - is anything goes.
No parameters . Just put an other quarter in the machine and hit redo.
No sense of right and wrong .
Listen to music (music? or is it noise ) that advocates hellish sexual crimes .
Just keep adding Left type measure to standards LIKE -
No judging .
Everyone passes with out effort
Throw moms and dads in jails for spanking.
Society owes them everything .
No norms taught at home anymore

lm6y 04-13-2013 06:05 AM

Gentlemen are a dying breed, being replaced by the culture of "swag" and "attitude". Boys just aren't taught that a man has a code to live by any more, and it's getting watered down every day. Boys have swag, Men have class.

AFC-911 04-13-2013 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cstreit (Post 7383744)
I suspect that this sort of thing has always happened... ...but with modern communications we just hear about it more.

This. I'm sure rapes were happening back in your generation, it just wasn't talked about or bragged about on Twitter/Facebook etc.

andyt11 04-13-2013 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 7383356)
Some of it has to do with cultural attitudes.. particularly those in certain Canadian provinces.

Can you elaborate?

dienstuhr 04-13-2013 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyt11 (Post 7383971)
Can you elaborate?

Yes, we're all waiting for this.

mikesride 04-13-2013 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 7383356)
Some of it has to do with cultural attitudes.. particularly those in certain Canadian provinces.

Huh?.... I would like to know what you mean with this statement.

oldE 04-13-2013 09:40 AM

Perhaps I was feeling overly sensitive, but going from this thread to the "What do you do with...a Drunken Sailor" thread, I came across this response.

"If its a she, then you nail'er"

Said in jest, perhaps and not in this context, but nevertheless this is part of the attitude which led to a teenager taking her life.

Les

speeder 04-13-2013 09:43 AM

While the story is extremely tragic, there is absolutely no validity to the assertion that human behavior has changed over a short period of time, (or a long period). Rape has always happened and it's largely unreported according to most legit studies.

A certain percentage of men were rough/barbarians/criminals/etc. with no sense of right or wrong and no personal responsibility or conscience in 1945, 1845, 1745.... How many girls do you figure were raped and then shot in the head during the course of WW2? How about just raped? There are some amazingly ignorant people here, or maybe some of your brains shut down when you get emotional from reading a horrible news story like this. We have guys who were not even alive 40 or 50 years ago explaining some major shift in human nature and behavior that does not exist.

craigster59 04-13-2013 09:43 AM

Welcome to the "Porn Generation"....
Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future: Ben Shapiro: 9780895260161: Amazon.com: Books

speeder 04-13-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldE (Post 7384173)
Perhaps I was feeling overly sensitive, but going from this thread to the "What do you do with...a Drunken Sailor" thread, I came across this response.

"If its a she, then you nail'er"

Said in jest, perhaps and not in this context, but nevertheless this is part of the attitude which led to a teenager taking her life.

Les

I recently watched the Oscar nominated documentary, "The Silent War", (as did the new SecDef), it's about the absolute epidemic of unreported rape of female service members in the U.S. military by their male cohorts and particularly superiors. Much of it happens in party situations but often when only the guy has been out drinking and comes back to the living quarters drunk.

It's tough to watch but I highly recommend it. It's about as unfunny as it gets.


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