Bingo, doesn't seem too difficult to understand.

Whoaaaa.. Both parties a) compaines marketing guns to kids and secondarily b) parents that bought those guns and then didn't secure them or supervise properly.. NOT political parties.

Pink rifles and pistols in adult sizes have been around for many, many years. You can go buy a pink Hello Kitty AR style rifle if you so desire. Pink plastic real rifles that look like toys...

Sorry to have mistaken what you meant.

Back on topic, I don't see the problem with designing a firearm with training a child in mind. It could only be marketed as such. And only an Adult can purchase. Still not seeing the issue.

The only failure here is the parents. Toys are toys. Guns are not toys.

Guns belong in the households but they need to be secured and not played with as toys.

Four sons have grown up under my roof and countless friends and cousins in and out.

Not once was a gun in the hands of anyone with out me being in control and the gun deemed safe

We had pellet and BB guns at home as well. They stayed in the safe as well and the only time they came out I was watching over usage.

One of the four wouldn't follow rules with his bb gun with my supervision and was sent in to the house due to lack of his ability to maintain a safe usage.

Who said legislation is required? Who said they felt legislation was needed? I must have missed that and I apologize in advance if I did.

I thought we were discussing whether a company should feel a moral responsibility to appropriately market or produce a product.

He got confused, I said 'both parties failed' meaning the companies/the parents, he thought I meant 'political parties'.. misunderstanding.

Make no mistake...this tragedy falls solely upon the parent imo. But...(and I'm gonna get hammered for saying this, and I'm certainly not talking about you Janet), most females that I've been around have no freakin' clue about guns, and many don't have the gumption to say NO when their little darlin' wants "whatever" their little heart's desire. I do in fact believe that the psychology of "pink" enters into this equation somehow, but can't quantify it. I played with toy guns too, along with shooting real ones at an early age, so I'm a walking contradiction :D.

ps: The Newtown mom was the epitome of this type of tragedy imo...

You've given me an idea... Marketing non alcoholic beer to 6 yr olds.

By the time I was 9 I was shooting apples off my sister's head - no big deal.

Ahhh. Makes sense.

Again, I agree...:D

Here is the first page of Cricket's website. That action is basically a modified Mouser, or a bit over 115 years old.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1367523590.jpg

They also make them in various low power calibers, match barrels, stainless barrels and key hole stocks.

Other companies make "Hello Kitty" AR-15s

http://img.techpowerup.org/100107/he...5assault_2.jpg

That was with a bow...

Totally different thing... sheesh!;)

It's simple for me, I have boys. Nothing is "cute" to them, they aren't allowed to point toy guns at anyone and the youngest will be lucky if I ever let him move out because he's a balls out madman. Give him a gun? bahaha .I'm afraid to give him a crayon, I'm on constant suicide watch as it is.

One more little thing here. Where in the news article about the tragedy is the rifle pink? It was a boys gun. I doubt he'd be wanting a pink rifle. This is the reducto absurdum I've been talking about in this entire thread.

Are you saying we should discriminate against gay children who want to learn to shoot?

Oh, and here is the same rifle actually for sale:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1367524327.jpg

By the time I was 12 I had killed all my childhood friends thousands of times with toy guns :D. I grew up in a different time though...I also knew what it was like to hunt small animals with a shotgun and watch life cease to be. There is a disconnect in today's society, and I don't believe that marketing pink guns to the masses helps anything but a co's bottome line. We don't package dangerous poisins, etc. in "cute" pink packaging that looks like candy for a reason too. Just my .02 worth......

Janet, I have a 3.5 year old just like that with two modes of operation, full out and sleep. Same rules though that no guns, toy or otherwise, get pointed at people. I have let him shoot a low powered 180fps airsoft gun by himself on full auto while I was supervising and have let him shoot a high powered airsoft rifle with my hands on as well. When he gets one of these in his hands he switches his whole personality, just like when he goes from driving his Power Wheels dune buggy to driving a real car and goof off mode goes away. That being said, he touches nothing more dangerous than a cap gun by himslef and it will be a couple years before he gets to shoot sissy's Red Ryder under close supervision. When he does get to shoot he will be a good shot, he already hits his somewhat large target at 15 yards with the little airsoft gun with no optics. He does real well with the reflex sight on the other.

The gun manufacturer did not fail here. The gun reseller did not fail here. The gun laws did not fail here. The parent or parents failed here.

Saying the gun company failed is like saying a knife company failed when their knife was used by a 5 year old to kill her baby sister. Ludicrous!

Scott

Mine turned 3 yesterday and he's always been, like you said, full on or out cold. The 6 y/o is an old soul and very responsible.... That's where we use our good judgement:)

At 10-12 most can easily discern what they can and what they should not point at other people. The problem I had at that age was that my friends wouldn't belive I shot them and then we would argue.

My question, at what age is a pink gun appropriate then? My 11 year old wants a pink 10/22 but I said no because she has to share it with her brother when he is older or pay for it herself since we just bought her a Marlin in 30-30 for deer season. I guess I shouldn't wrap the 30-30 stock in pink digital camo? Kidding, she likes that one as is.

Do you have the same issues getting him to transition from full out to out? Ours lays in bed and had a hard time winding down for the day and then gets up early and doesn't understand why everyone is not up since it is daylight. "You don't sleep when it is daylight".

Sorry 'bout the hijack.

There is a disconnect in this thread: The rifle wasn't pink

Fortunately he's a great sleeper and goes to bed easily( probably because he's as exhausting to himself as he is to us) and often I have to wake him up. While he's awake there is little winding down.

Have to agree with the OP and suggest Moses is off the mark. 4th generation American here and none in my woodpile ever owned a firearm. So, it's not a requirement or SOP.

No problem with responsible gun ownership but despite the assertions throughout this thread, I'm sure each can think of lapses in terms of responsibility. In this case, a 2 year old is dead. Any comparison to lightning, hand tools, or drowning is just asenine when discussing 5 year olds with access to firearms. Making such comparisons reinforce a lack of judgement in my humble opinion.

Not in favor of recent control methods but strongly in favor of real consequences for irresponsible ownership resulting in accidental death. Not unlike DUI homicide.

Sorry 'bout that...I'd like to say that it won't happen again, but I'd be a liar :D.

I just skimmed the thread and took the "pink" angle...point taken.

Brent...was it a Marlin 336C? That was my first deer rifle too, but I was a bit older than your daughter. "Gun maturity" doesn't have a thing to do with a someone's age. My college roommate told me about his best friend that accidently shot himself a few weeks ago, and we got to talking about guns and stuff. My buddy wants to go shooting when he moves closer with a nice collection he's inherited. I will not go with him...and he will never know why.

What sort of punishment would you feel is appropriate for the mother who just lost her daughter at her son's hand? Would you feel different if the chld had run into the street and got hit by a car, or drowned in a pool? It was a tragic mistake, that she will live with forever. The need for punishment will change nothing.

It is a 30AS, no ramped front sight? Had a thread on it a while ago. Here in Wisconsin the mentoring program lets young hunters enjoy the outdoors with a mentor but you only get one gun between the two of you. We purchased a Williams peep sight but will be selling that for a Skinner set, they have a more elegant solution that covers the scope mount screw holes.

I'm calling bs! I read on the Internet that Rick Lee sold it to him in a parking lot deal :p.

In all seriousness though, (and I'm a staunch defender of our 2nd), I think we are going to continue to see such "tragedies" as guns proliferate to many who simply have NO CLUE. I don't have any answers...

The cold reality is that it's natural selection. Clean up the mess and move forward.

no , we will hear and see crying folks on the TV..
O & his ilk love tragedy..

it's what they want..
their knee-jerk reactions supported by lofo's..

what we don't see or hear much about..
is what V shows in his thread..
guns save lives..
by terminating our often government sponsored trash..


Rika

Just thinning out the herd.

Why is it a tragedy? 250,000 300,000 die a day. This one death is a tragedy??? :confused:

Yes,

Any death of a child that could be reasonably avoided is a tragedy.

Amen to that.

One thing that I didn't like but have come to view as not as bad as I thought was when I lived in CA you had to show you reasonably understood how a handgun worked and could handle it safely before you could buy one.

A moment of distraction can ruin a family. I feel bad for the 5 year old for his feelings in the future.

A kid gets fat, so Fast food is to blame, not the fact that the kid sits on his butt plaving games on a PC or that the parent takes them to XYZ fast food instead of cooking or going to a real restaurant.

A kid gets hurt on a motorized scooter, blame the scooter manufacture, not the kid for riding it off the roof, or the parent for buying it.

So, the real problem as I see it is the PARENTS not being good parents. When I was little, we had guns in the house, and I knew where they were, but I also knew that I was not to TOUCH them without my Father there, and I knew that if I did, I would be in REAL trouble:eek: There was a REAL reaction to an action, responsibility was taken very serious, not this BS blaming everyone else.

There is a lot to be said about taking kids out to the range and teaching them about guns, as the sound & feel when the trigger is pulled leaves a lasting impression that a Gun is not a toy, and must not be treated as such and must be handled with respect.

I also grew up with a pool:cool: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1367533922.jpg


I read in the paper not long ago about a couple pushing to have new regulations because they were TOO STUPID
and lazy to check behind their car before backing up:mad:
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So, because some parents are too stupid and lazy to walk around their car (notice they try and blame it on the Hulking SUV:rolleyes:) it is the car manufactures & SUVs fault that stupid people back over their kids:mad:

What kind of parents gets in a car and goes someplace without knowing where their 9 year old is?? Plus, having kids, you would think they would be smart enough to make sure the kids didn't leave anything in the drive way before pulling out..:mad: Only stupid people & bad parenting to blame for these, not the manufacture of Pink guns or Hulking SUVs :mad:

And this is where the problem lies... a reasonable, law-abiding citizen slowly becomes affected by the emotion of the issue, rather than the logic, and allows for just the slightest infringement, after all, think of the lives that could be saved...