2014 Turbo, PDK only!
 

Bring on the grousing from the air-cooled mafia.....:D

New Details on the Upcoming 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo | Edmunds.com

:)thats going to be a beast

As much as I love my 911s with 3 pedals, you just have not lived until you've driven a true modern super car with state-of-the-art paddle shifters. You better have seriously good reflexes if you want mess with this car.

Speeder is correct.
I recently went for a ride in a 997T PDK with work done to it. It changed my opinion on the whole PDK thing. It is so fast you cannot even process what´s coming at you.

This air-cooled guy lusts for that PDK turbo. :)

F'ing bastards. I hate the PDK.

JR

Sounds like a beast. I have zero doubt that the PDK is faster than a manual, probably quite a bit more so. But more fun? I doubt it. After the F1 gearbox in my Maserati, I'm not buying another automated manual gearbox. Not that Porsche cares about me, I'm not buying any $100k+ cars anytime soon.:)

A beast indeed...

I think 'fun' is not a word associated with driving any modern fast car fast.......the sheer performance ability of these machines means the 'fun' part of the driving is only reached on a track.. and the aim there is normally to be as fast as possible...fun doesn't give you bragging rights afterwards.

If fun is the primary goal then an older or lower powered car may provide far more of it day to day on the road than one of these.....

Now if someone could give me a car to try out for the next few months I'd happily devote a serious amonut of time to the research......;)

Beast. Agreed 100%.

It will probably be another 10yrs before I can afford to buy one of these used, but I wouldn't want anything else in this car. I probably wouldn't be able keep it out of the ditch if it had a manual gearbox anyway. These new cars are amazing. It's hard to believe that they are drivable, or that anyone with the money can walk into a dealership and buy one to drive on the street.

Sure, operating a clutch and stick shift is ingrained in us, but, if a better (and faster) way to keep an engine in its power band is available, why not embrace it? IMO, the fun isn't in the shifting. I love to make the suspension and engine work as intended. Rowing through gears is a distraction, especially if you mess up a shift.

You may be right. I've been a stick shift purist all my life, but a while back I got behind the wheel of a 996tt. No idea what was done to it, but it was modified. The car was so fast, so capable, that shifting became much more of a distraction than an enjoyable part of the driving experience. I'm ready to try a PDK on a car like this.

This new car looks promising. The 997tt front end is just awful, too busy. The front of this one looks to be much cleaner.

I am slowly coming to this opinion as well. A client of mine showed up with a new 550 with the sport package and paddle shifters. Felt so right. Didn't drive it but by the time I stepped out of the car I was so taken by it I found my self rationalizing an $850/mo lease/payment.

Heck if there was a lightweight and reasonably priced clutchless/no stick system avail. to be retrofitted to an early 911 I'd put it on the list.

They are big. I was shocked at how much bigger they seem next to a 996/997. I still love my old lightweight slower smaller air cooled cars w/manual gearboxes, but I would probably sell them to buy one of these new cars if the money was even.

Keeping an engine in it's power band is all about the spread of the gear ratios and has nothing much to do with whether it's shifted by you, or a servo. The problem with PDK is that Porsche uses it to increase the fuel mileage. In the normal mode, upshifts are done at ridiculously low rpm levels. Drive a PDK off of a stoplight and it sounds like a 4 cylinder minivan with a rod knock. It upshifts faster than my Audi sedans. Yeah, you can run it in sport mode, or shift manually, but I still hate the things. I don't really care if it shaves a tenth or two off of the 0-60 times.

JR

There was a 991 parked next to a 997 at the swap meet in Hershey, and I must say you are 110% correct. It looked massive.

I wonder if the increased size is part of the reason they introduced the rear-steer?

Definitely not. I've seen plenty of 991s on the street, both moving and parked and I haven't noticed this difference in size. Not doubting that it's physically larger, but doubting that it's a big difference. :cool:

Have to say, that's a weird reason to hate them. The way they sound pulling away from a red light in suburbia?? Have you ever heard some cock knocker trying to drive a stick in traffic? Sounds like a wounded ferret. Though I do know what you mean and don't like the "quick shift" sound either. From a practical standpoint, it's great--a system that minimizes fuel consumption during slow driving.

As you well know, Ferrari has offered either a manual or F1 paddle shift in its sports models for many years now. Owners, (and I assume the resale market), prefer the F1 by an overwhelming margin...I'm guessing 20:1 or greater. It took me a while to wrap my head around them but now I would only want a newer Ferrari with F1. Bottom line is that you should reserve judgement until you drive a 991 with PDK. They are beyond belief. :cool:

Wheelbase increase changes the looks a bit, for me at least.

Love the ultimate capabilities of the new cars, really amazing stuff. Thing is, the older I get the less I care about speed. I love challenge of mastering a downshift, getting the suspension to take a set or finding the perfect braking point.

Being far from perfect I rarely accomplish said tasks but when I do, or even get close, it sucks me in to try it again. I loved my limited track time with the 991, it was video game, laugh out loud fun, but not what I'm looking for right now.

Press photos are out and the UK configurator is up.

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It's not the way they sound that bugs me the most, although I think all the watercooled motors sound like junk in comparison to the aircooled ones, it's the fact that 100 feet from a dead stop the thing's in 4th gear and turning less than 2000 revs. I don't drive a sports car like a diesel truck.

Having owned Ferraris and been in the Ferrari Club for years, I'm familiar with the average Ferrari owner. Not all of them are bad guys but a bunch of them have no business owning a car like that. My wife decided at one point, after the last time we hosted a FCA club gathering, to not allow them back in our house. Ever...

I've also experienced the clutchless abomination that BMW introduced years ago, the various Maseratis (the early Quattroporte was a real turd) and others.

Not for me, thanks. I drive an Audi S8 that has an auto trans, when I want to relax a bit. Thanksfully, Audi gave that car transmission programming that makes sense, not something that squeezes every last meter out of an ounce of gas. You'd have to drive something like that back-to-back with a PDK to appreciate where I'm coming from.

JR

OK, now I'm curious...what were the FCA members like that put your wife off that much? :)

I've had nothing but great experiences with Ferrari owners. Great group of hard-core enthusiasts, for the most part.

Paddle shifting a Ferrari is truly sublime. I'm a stick guy, and I would take a paddle Ferrari over a 6 speed any day of the week. On the track, they are wonderful. Just amazing.

Well, start with the accountant that thought he was Jerry Seinfeld, who told rude, corny jokes to any female that didn't run away screaming, who thought it was cool to attend a FCA national meet in his beater 328 Mondial cab with longhorn horns bolted to the front hood of the car... it goes rapidly downhill from there. One common feature... none of them could drive, none of them could work on their cars, none of them were people you'd associate with if you met them on the street.

JR

^^^??? Luigi with a longhorn special - LOL. Is not Seinfeld one of the most prolific Porsche collectors? What were some of the offending jokes by this accountant? That's OK, when I read of you mentioning the 328 Mon cabrio, reminds me of one I took in trade. Mr. Cool bashed how bad the car handled and purchased an 89 911 Turbo. When we took a test drive, the guy would enter a corner and depress the clutch! Worse... at speed and then all of sudden just let up on the pedal. Frightening!

Anyhow, its a 911 evolved over 50 years!!! What a beast and must be an incredible piece of machinery!

I only meet one Ferrari owner - Richard (motion) - and I thought he was the coolest of dudes! I like him and would fly fish, drink beer and listen to his ideas.

If Motion is a common representation of F-Car owners then they are good folk IMO...

[QUOTE=intakexhaust;7420918 What were some of the offending jokes by this accountant?[/QUOTE]

Dude, I can't remember the funny ones, let alone the ****ty ones...

He is not, at least around here. You should have attended the gathering last year put on here in Tulsa by the Dallas Ferrari dealer, to try to drum up some business. Not an old-school car guy amongst them. I could have told half of them that all Ferraris had 9 cylinders and they wouldn't have batted an eye. Some of them had some nice looking rentals on their arms... More than a few wore $900 tennis shoes and other worthless crap.

We need to get back to whining about the new car, not talking smack about Ferrari owners...

JR

I just got a 2013 991 with PDK. My old 997 was the 6 speed. The PDK is a bit lackadaisical in 'eco' mode, but in 'sport' the shifts are super crisp, and using the paddles, it blips the throttle just enough to always be in the right power band. Great gear box.

I disable the auto start and coast features. Less gas mileage, but who cares?

If there is any compliant, it is that the down shift from 2nd to 1st on hard braking is a bit wound up, and not as smooth as I'd like. Same as a 997 manual box. I figure as I get to know the car better, I'll optimize the PDK.

Dude, you're just saying that because you met my smokin hot wife SmileWavy

^^^ This guy should know! Nice acquisition :)

With those super pronounced rear hips the 991 Turbo almost looks like a Cayman.

+1

Any lady that buys my wife a very nice gift for not showing up to your party and makes pretend to be interested in my silly opinions is aces in my book!:D