WHEN WILL THE UN put down laws on procreation!
 

Hello.
I realize that this is a huge fundamental topic.
I do not wish to go into how excess of living standards are the norm now.
I wish to focus on Population.
My question is and has been for years, when will the Goverments acknowledge that there is a problem. An obvious problem.

WHEN DO YOU THINK THE GOVERMENTS OF THE WORLD will finally put in laws such as other countries to limit your offspring numbers.
I see today, other countymen so to speak /women having five six babies entering this country -Canada and Im sure they have never seen so much consumption that is easily available.
It really bothers me.
I am waiting for the day when Goverments stand up and put laws in order that have to do with procreation.
It appears to me that almost every country is so afraid to deal with the planets fundamental problem.
WHY?

A country needs greater than 2.8 baby's per couple in order to grow $$$ There's never been a country with a low birthrate that has grown$$$

This is why we're getting Amnesty for Illegal aliens shoved down our throat.

People hate facts and governments hate facts and people who believe in them.

Believe me... you don't want the United Nations to begin prescribing "laws" for ANYTHING about your life.

Unless you're one of those crackpots who really digs that whole One World Government idea.

Seriously, think about it. What if they did have the authority to force their will on you and your family?

1. You will buy only the cars we say you can.
2. You will buy only the foods we say you can.
3. You will line up and be innoculated when we tell you to.
4. You will keep your thermostat and water heater set where we tell you to.
5. You will not mow your lawn more often than we say you can, and only with a battery powered mower.
6. You will only drive the prescribed number of miles per year we allow.
7. You will only use as many gallons of water per month that we allow.

There would be no end to it. It's already headed in that direction now.

but we have 8.2 going on around here in the south land

They already tell you what kind of light bulb to put in your house, so its coming.

You'd be the first to go..

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Such laws wouldn't ever be needed if every human were intelligent enough to realize that having 8 children isn't such a good idea. If people were educated... they'd regulate themselves.

But since we won't seemingly ever reach that level of average intelligence quotient in my lifetime... well...

:-/

What do you think will happen to world population in the future? Have you looked at the forecasts? Is there a reason why you think there is a problem here?

We are already seeing the consequences of over population in our larger cities. Most of the ills we experience as a society are the result of the unnatural situation of people living too close together. But this situation is good for the military/industrial machine. So it will be encouraged and even subsidized.

China had a law in place for years limiting couples to just one child. This has recently been lifted.

Anyone who thinks the planet isn't over populated come drive with me on I-95 here in Ct. 23 mile delays in the middle of the afternoon. The same with a whole bunch of other cities.
Yet we glorify over population with the likes of reality shows with adults having 8, 10, 12 friggin, (as Odduck1 says), spawn.

No it hasn't. There have been minor modifications and those with $ can get around it but it is still very much in effect.

Anyhow I agree with the OP. Having a child should be a privilege, not a right.
Go see the movie Idiocracy by Mike Judge. That's what we're headed for.

Seperate issues I think.
Involves a fundamental of capitalism, planned inflation to stimulate activity(actually does the opposite), global spread of USDs into other expanding markets, and ultimately the Feds ability to manipulate the domestic market.

Involves unions, workers rights, legacy medical/insurance/legal costs, rising global competition of exports, retaining transnational corps in atmosphere of porous borders, and ultimately control by the 1%ers.

Was that first post supposed to be in GREEN?

I'm guessing that Mike had been drinking when he typed it.

You do realize that it's a small step from "only X number of kids" to "you're too stupid/ugly/genetically inadequate to reproduce".

This is a HORRIBLE idea.

How would you enforce this? Forced abortions? What exactly? Big problem. Maybe not a bad idea in theory but impossible to implement without really draconian and evil measures.

I wish there were a test prior to people being allowed to procreate but unfortunately biology doesn't exactly lend itself to that or work that way.

Cut off the money/aid/"free" food/"free" healthcare and other incentives for the least capable to keep squatting out their screaming brats and the problem will fix itself pretty quickly, the problem is we've become conditioned by PC liberal "progressivism" to be too squeamish about it so we're in the mess we're in - where the poorest, least capable and least motivated outbreed the responsible and capable people by about 100:1.

Guessing everyone on the planet will be sterilized at birth and have to go through a approval process for in-vitro fertilization later in life.

What would happen to the People of Walmart website then? ;)

Pretty simple to solve. Buy everyone in the developing countries a TV. Worked great for minimizing the industrial nations population growth.

Only if they're poor.

Some 20something idiot I work with has three young children, from three young girls (all legal, but barely), and he is not with any of them, but forced to pay child support to all of them. I don't think some people are capable of learing to "regulate" themselves when the small head does all the thinking.

Maybe the real problem is we "native born" Americans aren't having enough kids. If we didn't have all the immigrants our population would be shrinking which in the long run is bad news for everyone.

If a country's birthrate is not above the replacement rate you get a rapidly ageing population - more old people which must be supported by fewer younger workers and a stagnating economy. Japan in particular and several European countries are facing this huge problem. Japan, Russia and several of these countries have very low birth rates and zero growth from immigration.


From wikipedia:

The total fertility rate in the United States after World War II peaked at about 3.8 children per woman in the late 1950s and by 1999 was at 2 children. This means that an imaginary woman (defined in the introduction) who fast-forwarded through her life in the late 1950s would have been expected to have about four children, whereas an imaginary woman who fast-forwarded through her life in 1999 would have been expected to have only about two children in her lifetime. The fertility rate of the total U.S. population is at around the replacement level of about 2.1 children per woman. However, the fertility of the population of the United States is below replacement among those native born, and above replacement among immigrant families, most of whom come to the U.S. from countries with higher fertility than that of the U.S.[citation needed] However, the fertility rates of immigrants to the U.S. have been found to decrease sharply in the second generation, correlating with improved education and income.[7]

There should never be laws regarding procreation but I would not object to the U.N., (or anyone else), starting an educational campaign throughout the world warning people about the population explosion and its effects on the planet and life in the future.

A country needs greater than 2.8 babies per couple in order to grow $$$

What's better in the long run -- an economic system based on continually increasing the population, or an economic system that is stable and sustainable?

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Our government controlling the population?

Ridiculous!!!

What would come next...............forcing us to buy health insurance?

Never happen! :)

Although the world wide population explosion is a real problem and an educational campaign about the population explosion is a good idea, maybe the real pressure put on our planet by this exploding population is that many of them aspire to our lifestyle. I'm sure the figures are available with google but I feel certain that we Americans on a per capita basis consume far more than our "fair share" of the worlds resources.

Much of the rest of the world would just look at any "educational campaign" as another example of us Americans coming up with a do as I say, not as I do campaign.

It is true that the best thing I can do for the world's ecological future is to not have children. One of mine would consume more than 300 of theirs, (assuming that "theirs" is some 3rd world person).

Lots of truth here.

Watch the online series, "Money as Debt". It explains how our economic system demands ever-increasing productivity (population growth is one mechanism to achieve this) to pay the debt (usury, interest) on today's and yesterday's expenditures for consumption of finite resources. It's a nice watch and simple enough to understand while shining the light on often-wonkish topics like fiat currency creation, fractional reserve banking, the case for a "real" currency based in something like gold, etc.

Our "leaders" are powerless to stand up to the banking interests that perpetuate this system that dates back hundreds of years, instead doing everything possible to continually stoke the fires of consumptionism to ever-higher levels, which includes incentivizing procreation, even if it's at the hands of ill-equipped or poor people. It all ties together and all comes down to the deeply-held greed of a few select individuals who REALLY control things and will stop at nothing to retain their power - no matter what it does to the planet or anyone else. It might sound conspiracy-theory-ish but it's all very real and it all fits together.

How many other decisions are YOU going to make for me and everyone around me?


A responsible man says I'm going to do ...... a progressive says everyone else should do ........

There was this guy back in the 1940's over in Europe who had it all figured out..

Is over population a huge problem? Yes!

Is govement intervention the answer? He11 no!

Education and free birth control? I'm all for it.

the reality though is there isn't a problem. 1st world nations have extremely low birth rates. so much so that some are even worried of a shrinking population,and have holidays/rewards for those in couples to procreate. this is because modern family planning's availability in the 1st world.

when this ability to controls one's reproduction spreads to the 3rd world, population won't be nearly the problem it is today.

The problem we have is not quantity but quality.

Not enough of the "intelligent" genetic material being spread around the planet! ;)

Which is why it behooves those of us with the goods to get busy.

I'm doing my part!

as JYL noted, world pop'n growth is slowing dramatically

still, there are way to many bald monkeys on this planet

and... the best way to reduce popn. growth is to educate women

Can you kindly substantiate how population growth across the world is a problem? By substantiating this premise I mean please provide some facts and references to support your assumption -- rather than your highly biased opinion.

Thanks,
-Z-man.

As if the American government telling us how to live wasn't bad enough, let's get the UN in on the act!!! No thanks.

Why don't you ask the Pope ?? Would be a good place to start.