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HardDrive 05-20-2013 02:12 PM

What the heck is wrong with my F-150?
 
I've got a 2000 Ford F-150.

About a week ago, it suddenly developed a 'stumble'. I can't tell if its a misfire or a vacuum issue or what. Air filter is clean. I ran the tank nearly empty and filled it with premium and a can of Sea Foam (Thinking it might be water in the fuel). Doesn't seem to have helped.

Until yesterday, I didn't have an engine light, but heading up hill it started bucking like crazy and I got a blinking service light. I took it right to an auto parts store to use their code reader, but it comes up with nothing. WTF? How can the engine light come on, and not have stored codes? Do I need some special code reader from Ford?

Truck is drivable, and sometimes it goes away completely.

Damn frustrating.

RANDY P 05-20-2013 02:13 PM

Manufacturer specific drivetrain code. Need a ford reader to get it. Not an OBD code...

porsche4life 05-20-2013 02:15 PM

It's a ford....

sammyg2 05-20-2013 02:31 PM

i'm bettin a sensor went tits up, prolly O2 or crank position.

oldE 05-20-2013 02:36 PM

Which engine?
Probably, as said above, a sensor.

Best
Les

Burnin' oil 05-20-2013 02:53 PM

Fuel pump - and I am .03% confident in that answer.

Single or dual tanks?

aigel 05-20-2013 03:04 PM

Check engine light is blinking?

That's code for a misfire.

How many miles on the truck? Sound like mine when the head gasket let go. There was a cooling system to chamber breach going both ways. A well warmed up truck would leak enough water that under load, the mixture was too rich to fire.

Do you usual checks for a head gasket:
- Exhaust in coolant?
- Pressure in cooling system?
- Coolant out of exhaust pipe?
- Coolant in oil? (Send the oil for analysis)
- Oil in coolant?
- Compression check
...

Good Luck!

G

fastfredracing 05-20-2013 03:28 PM

ignition coil most likely.

aigel 05-20-2013 03:43 PM

2000 still has the coil packs and wires, or is it already coil on plug?

Can you confirm fastfred that the blinking light is failure to fire?

G

fastfredracing 05-20-2013 04:03 PM

blinking check engine light is usually missfire. it should ave stored a code though. it is coil on plug. A scanner yhat can read live missfires would be very helpful.

John Rogers 05-20-2013 04:27 PM

Well if you were in San Diego I would hook up my laptop with AutoEnginuity software as I have both the Ford and GM advanced diagnostics modules. The price with the ODB2 cable was around $350 and it was invaluable for my F350 diesel dually and the same for the HHR I have now. It will look at detailed codes and allow you to set monitors and you can record items while you drive into a file and review later. My F350 had over 350 sensor points while the HHR has over 14,000 sensor points and a LAN for god's sake!

I would suggest trying the Ford BBSs to see if anyone locally has the software or buy it as it will pay for its self after one or two uses especially if you go to a dealer!

Brian 162 05-20-2013 05:54 PM

Same thing happened on my Chev. recently. It turned out to be a bad coil for #6 cylinder.

Baz 05-20-2013 07:29 PM

Fuel filter?

HardDrive 05-20-2013 07:56 PM

Thanks guys. I'm leaning towards a bad coil or plug. Not looking forward to messing with the plugs on a 4.6 Ford V8 :(

badcar 05-20-2013 08:02 PM

I have a 2003 with a 5.4 that did the same thing. Coil packs.

aigel 05-20-2013 08:02 PM

I sold my 4.6 2007 F150 the week after finishing the head gasket. What a POS in terms of access / repair. The pros with a lift take the cab off the chassis for any engine work.

But no worries, plugs and coils will only be 2 hours and cut up arms ...

Good Luck!

G

GWN7 05-20-2013 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 7452077)
I've got a 2000 Ford F-150.


I ran the tank nearly empty and filled it with premium and a can of Sea Foam (Thinking it might be water in the fuel). Doesn't seem to have helped.


.

Sounds like you sucked something up from the bottom of the tank. Change fuel filter and check fuel supply.

RANDY P 05-20-2013 08:22 PM

I worked on an 02 mustang with a fouled coil pack. Miss at idle. Took a timing light to each lead and found #3 erratic.

$47 later, back on the road.

jrp

JAR0023 05-20-2013 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 7452213)
ignition coil most likely.

This. Coil packs. Quite common. Run fine under light load. Intermittent miss under heavy load. -J

fastfredracing 05-20-2013 11:40 PM

Plugs and, coils are not that awful to do. I use a 7mm 1/4" swivel on an18" extension to get the coils out. I also use a swivel spark plug socket . Do the rearmost ones first, as they will give you the most trouble. The one that is u nder the fuel pressure regulator is the hardest to remove, it usually requires twisting the coil and boot 180 deg, and still some bending to remove it. The one on the other side that is under the heater hoses, will remove some of your arm hair.
I usually replace the faulty coil, along with all the plugs, and the cop boots, as it is my belief that the high resistance caused by worn out plugs, and or corroded boots will contribute to shorter coil life. Dielectric grease is your friend here for re-assembly.

manbridge 74 05-21-2013 07:17 AM

Another vote for coil pack. Aftermarket ones work better than Ford's own. At least from my Ford Expedition 5.4 experience.

gr8fl4porsche 05-21-2013 07:29 AM

I had the same problem on an '02 4.6. It was one coil pack, then another. Ended up just replacing them all.

A few thousand miles later the oil pressure went to zero then boom.

1990C4S 05-21-2013 08:13 AM

COP. Feels like a misfire or a tranny shudder. But the CE light should be coming on...

john70t 05-21-2013 08:57 AM

obd2 laptop software - Google Search
Some are free and some close to it.
Worth a shot.
MIL light should illuminate for a second with key on engine off, unless burnt out.

Check all big connections of course and wiggle while running.

John Rogers 05-21-2013 09:14 AM

If looking for software make sure that the "advanced diagnostics" are included otherwise you might as well go to Pep Boys or AutoZone and all you'll get are generic codes and some donot allow you to clear codes. These modules are generally $50 and up for each one. The ability for monitoring when driving is important especially if you have a problem that comes and goes. Also ask how they handle laptop upgrades and if you can move the software to another computer if yours breaks. As with most things, you'll get what you pay for.

As a side note, about a year ago I wanted to get my wife's Caddy checked for a SES light and all 4 auto parts stores said they were not allowed to do that any longer under CA law? Said you had to have a "repair" license and not just sell parts?

Robert Coats 05-21-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badcar (Post 7452722)
I have a 2003 with a 5.4 that did the same thing. Coil packs.

+1. Same situation on my son's Y2K F-150 with the 5.4. Bad coil pack. Not too tough to R&R. Ran fine afterward.

I recall that engine had a composite intake manifold (not metal)? Lots o'problems with that, and I think they went back to metal versions in later years.

fastfredracing 05-21-2013 01:32 PM

The plastic intake manifolds will leak anti freeze , that will then weep down into the spark plug wells and cause missfires as well. I tried to re-gasket a few, but they still leaked. I just replace them when I see them leaking coolant now.


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