Plumbing Code Question - Garage Utility Sink Cut-Off Valves

[fireant911]

We have added a garage/connector addition to our home. The 'new' laundry room will be in the connector. In this connector will reside a deep sink. On the opposite side of the wall, a utility sink will be installed (along with a urinal!). I have a question regarding cutoff valves under the connector's deep sink and the garage's utility sink - does code require that these be present?

Yes, I know that it is wise to do so and I plan on doing this.. I am just curious if it is required by code to have these cut-off valves because I am unsure if the plumbers have intentions on including these valves.

[stomachmonkey]

Why not just ask the plumbers? Or better yet tell them you want the valves. Not like it's any more work for them than soldering on a valveless fitting to accept the braided hose.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Why not just ask the plumbers? Or better yet tell them you want the valves. Not like it's any more work for them than soldering on a valveless fitting to accept the braided hose.

+1

[fireant911]

There are some 'issues' with the plumbers so asking them is not an option. I am still curious if code require these valves? I searched and could not find anything definitive... unless I wanted to purchase the code book.

[gt350mike]

If you're in the city limits, I fairly confident the code requires any fixture to have a shut-off valve. Looking at it from a different perspective, if the plumbers don't install the valves it will not pass inspection.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by fireant911

On the opposite side of the wall, a utility sink will be installed (along with a urinal!). [/img]

So, basically, 2 urinals...

[mattdavis11]

I wouldn't worry about putting in a valve, it's far easier to cut the electricity off to shut down the pump.

[fireant911]

gt350mike,
Thanks. Yes, we are in the city limits. I am not at all happy with the plumbers. I will contact the Building Inspector to what the regulations are concerning the cut-off valves.

[gt350mike]

Curiosity has got the best of me.....if you don't mind, shoot me a PM w/the plumber's name.

We just started building my garage in April and the project is moving like pond water. I'm not impressed with any of my sub's with the exception of my concrete contractor. He was always responsive to my calls, started on the date promised and didn't leave a pile of crap for us to clean-up after they finished. If I had known back then what I know now, I would have asked him to give me a turn-key quote and walked away from all of the excuses.

[Zeke]

I can't find any provision in the code that requires control valves at the wall or floor in individual rooms. Only that fullway valves need to be installed where the municipal supply enters the building at at the cold water connection ahead of any water heater.

To wit: There are usually no stop valves to the shower supply. If you want to read in your own interpretation, consider that whenever hard plumbing is provided for the convenience of hooking up a fixture with flexible lines, a stop valve is installed just before that point of connection and simultaneously provides the transition of one fitting type to another.

IOW, it would cost just about the same to connect the sink w/o the stop valve.

[plumb4u2]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

I wouldn't worry about putting in a valve, it's far easier to cut the electricity off to shut down the pump.

what a dumb response





most all jurisdictions follow the year 2000 national plumbing code which WOULD require a shut off valve for each and every fixture in a home

Every jurisdiction has the right to interpret the code in their own way so I can not speak for your area

Where I am from yes I would have to put shut off valves

On a side note your pics show pex tubing so it would only make sense for them to use valves to connect to the faucet

[fireant911]

I called the Building Inspector this afternoon and he confirmed that, yes, cut-off valves are required to meet code in his jurisdiction. The question is now do wait for the plumbers to not install these and require them to come back or do I inform them upfront that these cut-off valves have to be installed? The answer is I will tell them in advance that the valves must be installed because I do not want these rip-off artists back on my property. Every other aspect of the project went WONDERFULLY except for the plumbing.

[look 171]

Calll them and let them know about the angle stops. Its the right thing to do just so they know that they have been informed code or no code. Don't pay until they past inspection. I found that most of them aren't that bright, except for you, PLumb4u2.

[Zeke]

Hey, Plumb4u2, I'm glad this is sorted out. I couldn't find that section in the code. Do you have a section reference?

[look 171]

I am surprise to hear that applies to all fixtures also. How would you do it to a wall mount faucet. I never put them in showers but many of them comes with stops at the mixer or control.

[Zeke]

So, you need an access panel behind the shower valve? Good idea anyway.

[plumb4u2]

Zeke and look 171.....I keep my code book in my office so I cant reference the code right now but to be honest I have been in the plumbing biz for 16 yrs and i have always been told valves at each fixture period.
As far as shower valves go....most all quality tub and shower valves come with intergal stops already attached to them, but if they dont I always install valves prior to shower valve

Daryl.....I'm sorry for your bad experience with this plumber but I am 99% sure they will put valves under that laundry tub sink, It's almost more work not to...lol

[plumb4u2]

Originally Posted by Zeke

So, you need an access panel behind the shower valve? Good idea anyway.

In my area we are required to leave access behind shower valve.....BUT as per code access is a sheetrocked wall

This is the reason you see almost all new houses have a closet directly behind shower wall

In the old days they would place tubs back to back with tiled walls....this makes my job a nightmare and my customers wallets lighter

[plumb4u2]

Daryl may I ask why you are so sure they will not put valves in??

Your pic above shows the rough in stage and there should not be valves there at this point

[Bill Douglas]

I wouldn't be concerned either. It looks like he is doing quite a nice job.