How do they look themselves in a mirror?
 

Was reading a story on another forum last night about a group of guys that raped and beat a 16yo girl and called her father on her phone and described what they were doing to her as they were doing it.

This morning on the radio a guy was arrested here in NJ for raping a 15 month old boy and and showing it on webcam while he was doing it.

Not to start bashing lawyers, but how on this earth can any decent, moral human being possibly stand up and fight for animals like this?? :confused:
I just cant wrap my mind around the possiblity of doing that for any amount of money in the world. Never ever. I couldnt live with myself.
I'm not talking about defending someone where there is lack of evidence or possibility of inocence. I'm talking clear cut without a doubt, guilt.

Again not bashing lawyers, just cant understand how anyone can do it.

Sad world we live in

Have you heard the most recent Serena Williams comments? She blames the victim! 16 YO as well. Yep, it's the 16 year olds fault.

Serena, just stick to tennis and threatening the linesmen or whatever they are called.

http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2013-06-18/serena-williams-rape-steubenville-comments-rolling-stone?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl12%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D331786

If there's no question as to guilt, the defense lawyer will look to minimize the sentence. Most (all?) will say they're providing a legally-required service. They might also argue that if the accused were to defend himself there are any number of technicalities which could drag the case on, open the door for appeals, etc. by providing competent defense it gets the job done more efficiently.

it's a solid black line. the defense lawyers are simply there to make sure our crime fighting folks are doing it correctly.

sucks they have to protect EVERYONE..even the obviously guilty ones. but personally, i'm glad they are there. i dont expect to ever need a criminal defense attorney, but i am glad they are there doing the thing they do.

What she said was:

“… she shouldn’t have put herself in that position, unless they slipped her something, then that’s different.”

“I’m not blaming the girl, but if you’re a 16-year-old and you’re drunk like that, your parents should teach you: Don’t take drinks from other people.”

I would tell my kids the same thing. Telling someone to be aware and to protect themselves is not blaming the victim. Situational awareness is a good thing.

It beats the alternatives. People leave countries that don't have due process to live in America.

You guys are missing the point of my post . I'm fully aware of a lawyer's job .
My point is, I just can't fathom how anyone can do it with a clear conscience and feel good about themselves.

The same way a Dr. operates on someone like the Boston Bomber. There was ZERO doubt who he was, ZERO doubt about his guilt. Yet the doctors fixed him up.

Every criminal defense lawyer is just doing a job.

Have you ever had to rescue some drunk driving scum bag that just killed family in a drunk driving crash?

I know a court appointed defense attorney that has to defend cases like this...

He 'lives' with himself knowing that he is protecting the constitution. If we don't protect the rights, and follow due process, of the most evil, disgusting, vile people, then they start to erode for all of us.

That whole 'presumed innocent' is really important in this country. It forces the government to follow the constitution for everyone. Try living in a country where you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

Court appointed attorney. I'm sure they don't want the job.

Public executions for guys like that (I really wish we could bring these back for certain cases). Sorry to PARF this up.

Emergency responder can't pick and chose his clients . An attorney can ... I understand about a court appointed one .

given what folks are getting away with these days..
capping or crushing folks like this within 48 hrs..
should be on the top of that list..
won't insult animals by calling them that..
and they left the human race when they did what they did..
so..
let's get another cashier over here..
as this guy needs to check out..
bang..
next ...

Rika

Folks,

Our original poster is asking:

How can the perpetrator look at themselves in a mirror?

What kind of sick twisted bastage can contemplate not only harming another human being, but video it?

There's gotta be something wrong with the wiring somewhere inside the head of someone who will do such a thing.

Indeed a sad world
Les

i'm reading it differently. i think Vin is talking about defense attorneys. no?

Vash would be correct...

Sorry, my mistake.

The whole thing turns my stomach.

Best
Les

A very long, drawn out affair for the rapists. Maybe two guillotines, one for each head and don't use the bigger one for a few days. Or death by weedeater.

I can understand the role of the public defender but I couldn't do it. I also could not be in law enforcment. I am genreally easy going but some thnigs set me off and two of the biggest are rape and driving drunk.

My neighbor is a criminal defense attorney. He feels this way. If the defendant doesn't get a fair trial, the justice system does not work so he is serving the Constitution. He is African-American and once defended a skin head charged with a hate crime. I'm sure he found it distasteful but gave it all he had so that the conviction would not be overturned on appeal. Believe me, he is not in it for the money.

-e.

When a certain low life terrorist blew up the Murrah building in Oklahoma City and killed over 160 people his attorney knew full well the guilt of his client. He used the same logic of "everyone is entitled to a fair trial". I see the point in a honest fair trial. Some people just don't deserve even those rights.

There was some eventual justice. We killed that POS back. It is just a shame we could not kill him 168 times.

The garbage man encounters an especially foul can.
Knowing it's his job, he holds his breath and empties as quickly as possible.
The next week, he's a bit more accepting .. but he still holds his breath.

Thank you for understanding and answering the point of my question.

lawyers defend known criminals, polluters, govt. agencies that clearly broke the law, banks driving people from their homes with trumped up robo-signings, etc.

the justice system requires it - the judge or jury decides

Jesus H Christ, once again... I know how the whole justice system, fair trial, Constitution etc, etc.. , doing their job, blah, blah, blah, works. so I wish everyone would stop bringing that **** up.

Again...

Would You be able to live with yourself, knowing you helped one of the above get off or reducing their charges.

That is all I'm saying.

Right.

Again...one of the main issues plaguing our country. "Entitlement"

I see your point Vinny and on a human level I am sure the defense lawyers feel as repulsed about these monsters as any of us. I guess they go into pro mode much like many doctors, certainly in the surgical field, where the patient to some extent become of body that need a certain procedure that is performed by reflex after a while in the trade. Its a limping comparison of course, but sometimes you need to put a mental distance between your feeling mind and the object of work at hand.

Also, I guess at least the high profile cases will probably not hurt a career as far as ending up in the head lines.

You could if we got rid of the death penalty and adopted the near death penalty.

Vinny, I could not do that job.

The part in the Bill of Rights where everyone is entitled to a fair trial is a plague on this country? I realize the constitution has been somewhat under siege lately - but to actually start attacking the 6th is something sort of new...

I heard a great line from Mark Geragos (sp?) who said everyone hates defense attys until they need one. :)

Vinny I'm with you. But I'm also the guy that couldn't live with myself for killing an animal to show I'm a man. Actually I don't need to.

He got a long stupid expensive trial. Everyone with brains agree that is his RIGHT. There is no way to write a law that would make exceptions to that right. I still think we should have cut him up for usable body parts. That can't happen so we follow the constitution.

I couldn't, which is why I no longer practice law after 14 years. In my experience there is little honor, dignity and justice remaining in the justice system. It's all about money. But there are plenty of careers that make me wonder how anyone can live with themselves. IMO, these careers include most law enforcement, bankers, securities brokers, corporate officers, military personnel and politicians to name just a few.

Yes, they can. It's called the Patriot Act. All it requires is the designation of the suspect as a "terrorist." But don't worry its for the good of America. :rolleyes:

On Les' theme though, this is why the entire concept of prison "rehabilitation" is flawed. There are some crimes that simply require a person to be off in some way, because no normal person would even consider them no matter the situation. Someone robbing a liquor store, smoking crack, getting into a fight, you can understand the motivation even if it is flawed. But a normal human being does not rape an infant or blow up a building.

No. I wouldn't be able to go home feeling like I had made a positive impact to society.