"Huns in Bras"....sorry for my typos :D

What about restaurants that happen to server beer and wine?

Non issue..been carrying in bars, restaurants, public buildings, etc. for years. No one knows because I have never needed it. Rather have to explain the reason I had the gun where it wasn't supposed to be than not have the gun if I really needed it.
Why is it that those that don't believe in carrying feel the necessity to see the worst case scerenio for those that do? Law abiding citizens are not the problem...criminals are.

I'd be OK with that....I'm talking about bars/strip clubs/etc. You know...the places where fights between drunks ONLY occur after midnight :D.

FWIW, the new NC law states that CCW is still not allowed in bars or restaurants if the owner of the establishment posts a notice prohibiting weapons. The law also allows CCW in parks, greenways and storage in locked vehicles on school or public university campuses. This according the Charlotte Observer newspaper. The governor refused to sign the bill when it also removed background checks and local Sheriff control of permits, so that language was removed from the bill that was signed into law.

If the "bar" for self defense is lowered to the point that a "bar fight" produces a gun and somehow that is legally OK...that's when I have a problem. I don't hang out in bars (anymore)...but don't like it based upon my life experiences.

Didn't know it had already been signed...that was quick!

ps: I'm OK with everything in it except for pure "drinking establishments"....

Some people carry everywhere they are legally permitted to. That is their right. Who are you to question why they should wish to exercise their rights?

I don't, nor will I since this law has been signed, but simply disagree with that portion of the law. "If it ain't broke..." is my take, and NOT having "legal" guns in bars has never presented a problem in my lifetime of experiences. Never known anyone who's been killed in a bar either where a CCW would have made a difference. If there weren't some real idiots out there who don't use "common sense", then I probably wouldn't care in this matter either :D

ps: Would you abide by a bar owner's "sign"? Some on this board have stated they do/will not. What should the consequences be? If I were a bar owner, the LAST thing I would want is patrons "carrying"...YMMV.

Short of metal detectors at the door or a class A felony charge, I don't see how anyone can keep guns out of bars. Bad guys will ignore the signs. And a lot of good guys will too.

I usually ignore the gunbusters signs because I don't feel like walking back to my car if it's a place I didn't know bans guns until I get inside and find the sign. Though the vast majority of places in AZ with such signs have them improperly displayed, such that it can't be considered "proper notice" under the law. I saw a handwritten one at a pizza place, which was just laughable.

Also depends on what I'm wearing. Concealed means concealed. What people don't know can't hurt them. I don't go on benders in bars, but it's silly to have to be disarmed while having a glass of wine with dinner, when it's perfeclty legal to drive home in a two ton missile after my BAC has peaked from said glass of wine.

Why not just put up signs that say "no shooting, no gun play, no fighting, no lawbreaking?" People aren't going to act any differently because you put up a sign banning that which is already illegal.

Good point. I also don't hang out it bars and can't remember the last time I was in one past midnight. As mom used to say, only trouble stays out past midnight.:)

That's it "in a nutshell"...one can't "prevent" anything by having laws but I do believe that some laws actually encourage "stupid behavior" by SOME folks. I'd like to see that minimized. It's the "appropriate penalty" that I'm in favor of. Everyone is a "good guy" up until the point they are "not" anymore. I would suggest that more guns around folks who are drinking is simply not a good combination....YMMV.

ps: Pull a gun in a "bar fight" when the other guys is getting the best of you...then go to jail imo. Your life was NOT endangered :D

Metal detectors are exactly what we used when I was working the front door of a large club approx. 20 years ago...what's so difficult for you to wrap your head around that? The last thing on earth you want in a club or bar is armed patrons and not knowing who is armed or not. I'd love to hear your fantasy scenario of how having a gun in a bar would come in handy...in a crowded room full of moving people...let's hear it. :rolleyes:

You are truly on the lunatic fringe of gun owners with your armed trips to the mailbox in front of your house and describing how riding around on your motorcycle with a gun on your hip gives you a tiny hard-on when you think it offends someone. I own guns and I think you're a nut.

Wow dude. You shouldn't own guns at all. I don't know why I bother re-explaining this, but I very occasionally carry to the mailbox because I go there between parking in the garage and going into the house and I don't leave my gun in the car. So it goes on the belt. And yes, I just about always carry on the bike, as is legal and common in AZ, because it's pretty hard to draw from concealment under riding gear (or unzip the tank bag in a hurry), especially with gloves on. Please stay away from us lunatics who've never been in trouble with the law, are gainfully employed, don't start fights, don't bother anyone and aren't Internet tough guys. We are the true threats out there.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1374888405.gif

No, you have stated on numerous occasions here that you get a thrill driving past cars with CA. plates in AZ. with your exposed gun on your hip. You somehow think that it really bothers them and you like that, though how you deduce this while whizzing by on your MC, I will never know.

I was also under the impression that you told us that you would not go get the mail w/o being strapped...my apologies if I got that wrong. But I don't think I did. I don't have the time or even know how to search for old post on here, so this is all from memory.

Oh yes. But the only thrill I get out of OC'ing on the bike is outraging drivers with CA or Canadian plates. Thinking you could be one of them would really be a rush. Guilty as charged. Otherwise, it's a matter pure convenience and practicality. Gonna do it tomorrow on a long ride out of the hot climate too.

BTW, my mailbox is not in front of my house. It's down the street and around the corner, so my house and car are out of sight when I go there.

Wait....

You live in SoCal. Were you working the door of a club in California?

Guns should definitely be allowed in bars, but the owners must also hire professional instigators. What's the purpose otherwise?

Your neighborhood does look menacing. Was that cactus a perp that you actually offed?

Actually, my neighborhood is quite nice and the only reason (again) I take gun to the mailbox is because I don't leave it my car, especially with garage door open when I have to walk out of sight of both. But then I have seen people out pushing baby strollers with a pistol strapped to the belt. So that tends to remind the riff raff to stick with the bars.

Sooo, lemme try to grasp what you're saying; your "quite nice" neighborhood, gun totin' baby stroller pushers patrol your "quite nice" neighborhood to intimidate your "quite nice" neighborhood riff raff, reminding them to stick with the ("quite nice" neighborhood, riff raff) bars?

Hmmm...sounds like low income Scumdale, definitely not Scottsdale, right?

Well, as I'm pretty sure everyone knows, I have pretty strong opinions when it comes to the 2nd & CCW laws, very pro for both, and as some know, my work has had me in bars for close to 30 years, but, I have NEVER taken any of my weapons into a bar, drinking & guns don't mix, IMPO, but I do know some who do have legitimate reasons to need to carry in a bar (think owner). I made it a personal policy to take my weapon home, on the rare occasions (when I had to take care of the bank, or was on a buying trip with lots of cash on me) I do carry, to go home 1st & safely store my weapon. That is just how I do it, even though I don't drink anymore, I still won't carry in a bar, legal or not, but again, that is my personal choice.

I also fail to see why it is necessary to have a firearm 24/7. I've gone 23 years without one and I feel fine. Haven't been mugged. No paranoia. If you really do live in a nice neighborhood I don't see why.

Because sometime your job takes you to "not" nice areas, and in a really nice neighborhood, people from not nice neighborhoods come there since we have better stuff.. This typically happens in "Old Money" neighborhoods and yes, I lived in one and there was a rash of crimes, not just B&Es, but beating elderly home owners & forcing them to make cash withdraws.

maybe because yer just lucky. if your neighborhood/town has a police bulletin email, subscribe to it.

i grew up on south side of chicago in hyde park. it's a university neighborhood. but it's surrounding on 3 sides by ghetto. just because i live on "this" side of the street doesn't mean ghetto on the "other" side of the street doesn't affect us. we used to hear regularly of people getting mugged on the street during daylight and twilight hours. we knew not to cross 59th street, 47th street, cottage grove or else we'd be on the "other side". a family friend got mugged inside his own apt building in broad daylight. the guy walked in the door behind him, beat him unconcious and stole his wallet with $20.

if u just look at the weekly chicago crimes that DON'T happen in the ghetto, you know you're not on a happy little island. last year was subway muggings and street purse snatchers. just this week there's an alert for a series of violent muggings on the lakeside jogging/biking trail.

yea it's safer nowadays than back in the 90's, but it's not all hunky dory. not paranoid, but just aware.

https://www.crimereports.com/

just look at the dots. maybe you do live in a really good area that's crimeless. good for you. some of us don't.

I'm not saying that there aren't places where there is a need, just that if you say you live in a nice area then why are you always carrying?

Good point, Byron!

We sure do have "better stuff" (and that's DEFINITLEY worth pluggin' riff raff to protect!).

Given that stroller pushers often find themselves inadvertantly wandering off into hostile territory, i see HUGE business oppurtinities for fire arms savvy people (such as yourself, Rick Lee, et al, for example) regarding designing and marketing mil spec mounts for strollers that will accommodate AK's, grenade launchers, etc.

Oh yeah! And a HUGE market for infant's earplugs!

now, where did I put my popcorn...

And why did all your neighbor's lights quickly go off when they heard it POP'in?!!! :eek:

How ya doin', Jeff? SmileWavy

What does where I live have to do with anything? I'm not home 24/7. I do go out every day to run errands. Think of every mass shooting that continued until the perp ran out of ammo because there was no one there to stop him. Was Sandy Hook in a bad neighborhood? The movie theatre in Aurora, CO? Remember the nutbag that shot up his gym in Pittsburgh? I gigged in the bar across the street from that gym several times. Not a rough neighborhood at all.

I'm not afraid of getting mugged. I don't look like an easy victim and I am super alert at all times. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy and they aren't always around. I do feel a little better at my own gym, since there are always cops working out there and they are the only guys allowed to carry gym bags on the floor, which I assume is where their gun is. I guess they're paranoid, eh?

Rick, you have about a 100 times better chance of winding up in the ER with your dick caught in your zipper than stopping a mass shooting with your trusty, ever present side arm. You have to play the odds in life.

I sincerely hope you're right. But I have no interest in stopping a mass shooting. I just want the means to protect myself and my wife, especially in places where guns are banned, which tend to be magnets for gun crimes. And my doing so in no way threatens anyone. So you should be fine with it.

But you're not a law abiding citizen.

Easy with the irony there, wrong crowd.

Too many movies old man...

The bold is massively important. Our school system is massively fouled by behaviorist extremist trying to instill their own set of values, rather than educating on how to read, write, calculate, and useful knowledge.

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It will go right past them.

Still waiting for an answer to this:

Wait....

You live in SoCal. Were you working the door of a club in California?

I fail to see why you have insurance that covers fires in your home. You've gone 23 years without a home fire. It's never burned down. Your not even worried about fires. If you live in a neighborhood free of arsonists, I don't see why you have that insurance.